00:00:52.82 Jon Stanley, it has been so long that I forgot that I had to open this link that you send me in Google Chrome
00:00:59.66 Stan Lemon Oh, for the the podcast recording?
00:01:02.51 Jon for the podcast recording. So i clicked on it and tried to open in Safari. It's like, no, you can't do this in Safari.
00:01:11.08 Stan Lemon Yes, because Chrome is the new Internet Explorer, John.
00:01:14.63 Jon Ah, don't you use Chrome, though?
00:01:18.57 Stan Lemon I use it for two websites.
00:01:21.71 Jon Use Chrome for two websites.
00:01:22.03 Stan Lemon So this, two websites. I use it for Zencastr and for Monarch.
00:01:24.01 Jon but
00:01:26.79 Jon Okay.
00:01:26.79 Stan Lemon And to be honest with I only use it for Monarch because there's a um an extension that'll sync my Amazon purchases.
00:01:36.81 Jon How do you make your Amazon purchases?
00:01:40.04 Stan Lemon I mean, i just, it will categorize, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:01:41.29 Jon Oh, it categorizes them correctly instead of just all shopping. You probably put them all in shopping anyway, though, don't you?
00:01:45.34 Stan Lemon Right. Most of them, but there's a few, there's a few like grocery items and then clothing, it'll classify as clothing. That's really about it. But it also in the comments, I'll add exactly what it was for. And that's nice.
00:02:01.70 Jon Okay. How often do you actually go back to Monarch and look at this data that you're literally opening a different web browser for?
00:02:08.64 Stan Lemon lately not Lately, not much, John.
00:02:10.09 Jon ah
00:02:10.24 Stan Lemon But ah there are times when if it's like the spending is wildly out of whack, I'll go and I'll look and see what's up. But it's not very often. So the only other thing that I use Chrome for when I have a Claude subscription there's an extension that will let Claude drive the tabs.
00:02:31.67 Jon Like smart browser tabs?
00:02:34.22 Stan Lemon Yeah, it's it's kind of like ChatGPT Atlas, but just in your native Chrome, which is honestly kind of scary.
00:02:41.59 Jon Yeah.
00:02:41.61 Stan Lemon um Atlas is at least like, you know, siloed off, but there's the Ask Gemini button in Chrome. Do you ever use that?
00:02:48.78 Jon I do not. Well, maybe I should. Maybe I need to start using Chrome at work. i use Firefox at work.
00:02:55.75 Stan Lemon So I used Firefox at work for a while. i actually just got access to their smart window or smart tab, whatever it's called, beta, um which is like a new spin on AI, but not full control.
00:03:09.26 Stan Lemon i think it's like their their search replacement, which I don't know how that works out for them as a business because they basically make all of their money from having Google as the default search engine. So who knows?
00:03:21.26 Jon And donations, Stan.
00:03:21.58 Stan Lemon Did you know that, John?
00:03:22.26 Jon And donations.
00:03:22.93 Stan Lemon Yeah. andations I don't think there are that many donations.
00:03:25.90 Jon ah
00:03:26.92 Stan Lemon i think ah I think Google pays them just like they pay Apple to be the default search engine.
00:03:33.48 Jon yeah um I have never donated to Mozilla. I donated to Wikipedia once, and I still get emails regularly of them asking me for money.
00:03:47.37 Stan Lemon Does anybody use Wikipedia anymore?
00:03:50.41 Jon I don't know. Sometimes, it like, it's not even referenced ChatGPT as references, is it?
00:03:52.65 Stan Lemon i
00:03:59.24 Stan Lemon I don't know that I have seen it referenced in ChatGPT. I couldn't tell you the last time that I went to a Wikipedia article.
00:04:09.74 Jon I went to one recently, but what was it for?
00:04:12.94 Stan Lemon See, you don't even know. this is This used to be a staple in our lives, right? Go to the Wikipedia page.
00:04:18.73 Jon Right.
00:04:19.83 Stan Lemon Because that was that was faster for finding an answer to a question than even Googling back in the day.
00:04:20.14 Jon Well,
00:04:25.96 Jon did you ever do um like the random article of the day?
00:04:30.89 Stan Lemon No, i don't I've never had time for that. Never had time for that.
00:04:36.20 Jon about priorities, Stan.
00:04:37.42 Stan Lemon Did you, John? Did you do the random article today?
00:04:39.63 Jon i've I have gone through phases where I would have it and randomly take me to an article and I would learn about something new.
00:04:46.15 Stan Lemon And how how often did you regret that?
00:04:50.95 Jon None that immediately come to mind?
00:04:52.96 Stan Lemon Oh, OK.
00:04:53.12 Jon i'm I'm thinking like 2000s high school John.
00:04:53.25 Stan Lemon All right.
00:04:58.15 Stan Lemon Oh, right. Well, thank the The dark corners of the internet were not the not the thing that birth regrets in your life anyhow. um No, it's funny you bring up Wikipedia because I ah genuinely can't think of when I last used it, which is odd. It's not something I've reflected on in the age of AI.
00:05:18.67 Jon think you are deeper in the AI rabbit hole than I am, which tells you which tells you ah how my resolution is going.
00:05:22.26 Stan Lemon I'm pretty sure i' pretty sure i am now for sure. yeah
00:05:28.43 Stan Lemon Yeah, I mean, you said something interesting to me a few days ago that I didn't poke at you on, but maybe now's the time.
00:05:28.48 Jon Do
00:05:36.49 Stan Lemon um You said you weren't sure where AI was going.
00:05:43.25 Jon you remember the context?
00:05:43.31 Stan Lemon Do you remember saying this?
00:05:45.58 Jon ah
00:05:45.83 Stan Lemon I was complaining about ah the the Verge and Nilay Patel and Decoder because I remarked that like they're so negative about AI. And it's um they keep citing this survey or poll, I guess there wass a poll that was done that says that like AI is basically polling just slightly above the war in Iran.
00:06:18.50 Stan Lemon Have you heard right about this?
00:06:20.04 Jon I did read about this. I think you might have sent me the article.
00:06:22.67 Stan Lemon Okay. So, so that's what you said. You were like, I just don't know about where AI is going.
00:06:29.13 Jon I don't remember where my brain was at at that point, but where I hypothesize AI is going is, well, we're going to have some like political and regulatory friction at some point that I don't think has fully hit yet. So I expect that to come, but ultimately, you know, like the dream of the internet of things
00:06:55.40 Stan Lemon Yeah. Oh, I know. that i know of that dream.
00:06:58.63 Jon um and how it has played out in some ways really well, in other ways, not so much. um
00:07:04.20 Stan Lemon Maybe you should explain what the Internet of Things is.
00:07:06.41 Jon Well, just like everything on the internet. I'm thinking like smart washing machines and smart refrigerators. um We have smart thermostats, which I think everybody's kind of bought into. And thermostat actually works pretty well, um as long as the voice assistant listens to you when you tell it to do something.
00:07:22.57 Jon But there's an app for that, too.
00:07:22.95 Stan Lemon Do you? You have an ecobee, right?
00:07:25.67 Jon I do.
00:07:26.60 Stan Lemon Do you you have a voice enabled Echo Bee?
00:07:28.94 Jon um I do. That is off.
00:07:31.72 Stan Lemon Okay, that was gonna be my next question is do you actually use the voice part for the Echo Bee? I do not.
00:07:36.81 Jon I do not either.
00:07:36.91 Stan Lemon in
00:07:37.61 Jon um I do have my home pods throughout the house where I will often ask it to turn on the air conditioning.
00:07:46.19 Stan Lemon Oh, you do, okay. So do you have that configured like scenes or how do you have that set
00:07:51.11 Jon um I don't have anything with scenes there just because generally it doesn't jive with any of my other scenes, especially now that I have people in my house all day. um So I ah have like the schedule.
00:08:03.98 Jon um I have the schedule where it changes temperature when I'm sleeping or home basically are the two things now. um But I don't do that via voice. That's just set in there. um But like when it's going to be 80 degrees outside, um then I will often say, hey, turn on the AC while I close all windows.
00:08:26.60 Stan Lemon Yeah, you don't run your AC as much as I do. um i So the only thing that I use scenes for, I have a heat, cool, and furnace off scene. And I'll say, hey, Dingus, set the scene.
00:08:39.79 Stan Lemon look As I look around, I don't think responds to Dingus yet. um But I had that because I have two Echo-B thermostats for two different floors. And whereas Echo-B used to have a way to group them so that I could turn them on and turn both on or turn them off, turn both off, et cetera. They got rid of that feature. It was wildly useful. And the only way to do it now is through a HomeKit scene.
00:09:03.15 Jon Interesting.
00:09:04.01 Stan Lemon Yeah.
00:09:04.07 Jon So don't you don't have like a good night scene or anything like that?
00:09:04.25 Stan Lemon And that...
00:09:08.14 Stan Lemon No. I mean, I've got, I, most of my lights are set on a schedule, ah like a fixed schedule or they're tied to people arriving or leaving the home.
00:09:19.59 Stan Lemon Right. So everything goes off when I'm gone. there is a vacation schedule that works automatically when nobody's at the house. Um, but I don't, I don't use scenes for any of that. Maybe, maybe I should try again. i just felt like, I don't know.
00:09:33.99 Jon They are kind of redundant when you get into like the automations too.
00:09:34.24 Stan Lemon I don't can, I,
00:09:38.99 Stan Lemon and I think that's that's probably where I've fallen is that most of my stuff is wired to an automation of some sort. And so it just doesn't make.
00:09:45.39 Jon Right. So I use scenes, specifically I have a good night scene which will turn off everything and make sure garage door is closed. um all of the well i don't All of the lights that would be controlled by that anyway um would go off at a certain time anyway. um
00:10:04.14 Stan Lemon Yeah. So there you go. All right. Like.
00:10:05.90 Jon And the other time I use it is during the Christmas season, and I have a Christmas scene that will turn on the lights at the same time.
00:10:14.57 Stan Lemon So for Christmas time, i have the Christmas tree set to basically, because Mrs. Lemon loves this thing being on. So so it turns on, i don't even, she probably doesn't even know this. i don't even know if she knows this. So here's a big reveal.
00:10:28.55 Stan Lemon um If she leaves the house, it turns off. If she comes back to the house, it turns on. And then there are certain scheduled times that'll go on or off based upon her being home. So all the automations are like, when Mrs. Lemon is home and it is 7 turn it on. Because she's never up before 7 a.m., right? And when Mrs. Lemon is home and you know it's 11.30 at night, because she's probably upstairs at that point, turn it off.
00:10:58.31 Stan Lemon So she I think she probably believes that they are on twenty four seven when the Christmas tree is up.
00:11:04.23 Jon But your frugal nature is coming out.
00:11:06.67 Stan Lemon I mean, they're incandescent, fault like they actually really annoy me. and But yeah, I don't know. i I set those, here's the other thing too, because I use the same wall outlet for those. I set those up probably six years ago.
00:11:24.77 Jon Yeah.
00:11:24.78 Stan Lemon And they just keep they just keep working.
00:11:26.70 Jon Nice.
00:11:26.88 Stan Lemon The owl is not even plugged in right now. right like it's It's probably in a bin, but I'll pull it out to the Christmas tree one and stuff will just work again.
00:11:34.36 Jon So be careful with that, because I had a couple of outlets that failed on me um and wouldn't actually connect back up.
00:11:42.44 Stan Lemon Oh, well, I mean, then I'll just i'll just reprogram everything. It'll be fine. But... i I used to have a like turn everything off scene and I, I stopped doing it because I, I don't remember if I accidentally added the grill to the scene or if it was something like add new devices.
00:11:57.89 Jon Hmm.
00:12:00.07 Stan Lemon But anyhow, I was smoking a pork shoulder and I turned my grill off and i caught it by accident. Cause I had done the scene, turned everything off. And then a couple hours later I went to go check on the pork shoulder and the whole unit was turned off.
00:12:13.71 Stan Lemon So.
00:12:15.66 Jon Fair enough. um What else do you have automating, Stan? Specifically home-wise?
00:12:22.43 Stan Lemon It's just, it's just lights. It's just lights. I mean, I've got a schedule for the, the echo B, right. But that's it. I really, i really don't have a lot of home automation. and And honestly, some of the time, um, I'm not totally sure that I like the light.
00:12:36.82 Stan Lemon Okay. All right. So i I, went through a process. I had some, um, nano leaf light bulbs, the original generation, which were like one of the first home kit light bulbs out of the market, like fully home kit.
00:12:47.39 Stan Lemon There was no hub, none of that. Right.
00:12:49.27 Jon Right.
00:12:50.09 Stan Lemon And, um, When HomeKit did the most recent upgrade to the full Matter version with threads and all that, like the the new network infrastructure, those bulbs stopped working reliably and they were driving me nuts.
00:13:05.83 Stan Lemon I ended up, I just decided to to recycle all of them and I bought some new ones. And they have worked pretty reliably since then. um And you know the the magic of thread and matter is that it's pretty quick.
00:13:18.19 Stan Lemon So that that mostly has been fine. But I think for a while, especially that that rollout with the new network infrastructure for HomeKit was so so rough.
00:13:29.13 Stan Lemon It really put me off on a lot information.
00:13:29.24 Jon It was. Like how many times did you have to reset every single thing in your house?
00:13:34.12 Stan Lemon Oh, more times than want count. And the worst part with the light bulbs is in order to reset a device, you have to get the, it's like a QR code on the side of the light bulb.
00:13:44.46 Stan Lemon The light bulb has to be plugged in to be working, right?
00:13:44.93 Jon Hmm.
00:13:47.58 Stan Lemon And so invariably, and the the the range, like they Bluetooth to your device in order to do the initial setup.
00:13:55.99 Jon Yep.
00:13:56.30 Stan Lemon And so I've got, I'm on like a step stool, right? Holding it up to a, a you know, ceiling fixture. It's just not a good experience.
00:14:07.30 Jon Okay.
00:14:07.53 Stan Lemon And I don't, I don't know if Zigbee Phillips Hue is a better experience. um Cause they've, they've got different like hubs and whatnot, but yeah, I don't know.
00:14:19.50 Stan Lemon I think if I had to build a new house, And I was like, I don't know that I would mess with any of the first class, you know, home automation tech. Blinds, absolutely not.
00:14:31.24 Stan Lemon Vents, no, I don't think so. I just don't think I'd mess with it.
00:14:37.16 Jon Remember this when you're off building your own Jarvis.
00:14:40.60 Stan Lemon Quite a moth building my own drivers. You know, ah i think I am comfortable with the robots doing coding for me and handling, like research tasks.
00:14:54.35 Stan Lemon And that's it. I'm good. Like, I don't know that I need anything else to be completely honest you.
00:15:00.49 Jon For now. We'll come back to this in a decade.
00:15:01.67 Stan Lemon For now. What do you, what do you think?
00:15:03.95 Jon Yeah.
00:15:04.20 Stan Lemon what do you think I would fall? What do you think I would fall for
00:15:06.73 Jon I don't know. I think at some point the robots are going to drive us. um And I think that will be a net positive.
00:15:13.29 Stan Lemon So before I bought the Subaru Forester, I think I would have told you that I look forward to that type of future, but I really enjoy driving my Subaru. And so I think I've gotten back to the...
00:15:23.27 Jon But do you enjoy everyone else around you driving when you're driving through Indianapolis?
00:15:28.33 Stan Lemon No, but I don't know that car driving for me is going to make that less stressful.
00:15:35.24 Stan Lemon you know I mean, like look, I think the the research on stuff like Waymo, which I still have not been in one, is pretty clear that in general it's safer. right And the way that people drive around here, I believe it.
00:15:47.69 Stan Lemon But there's a there's a trust thing that I'm not sure I'm ready for yet.
00:15:56.14 Jon This sounds like we need to go to a city that has Waymos all over the place where everybody hates them. um And we need to probably record a ride in a Waymo together.
00:16:06.67 Stan Lemon So I just, I want to be clear. A Waymo pulls up in Cedar Rapids and you get in?
00:16:14.11 Jon What? Right now? No.
00:16:15.82 Stan Lemon Not right now, right now. like if but paul but
00:16:18.22 Jon mean, Cedar Rapids isn't exactly where I would use this either. um But places where I would Uber are.
00:16:25.19 Stan Lemon Well, let's...
00:16:25.35 Jon Do I take a Waymo to the airport? Maybe.
00:16:28.49 Stan Lemon from cedar From your house in Cedar Rapids to the airport.
00:16:31.05 Jon Maybe.
00:16:32.01 Stan Lemon All right, now here, Okay. the let's let's say let's test this. Would you put your daughter in a Waymo?
00:16:42.41 Jon um I would. The car seat is the amount of friction that I don't even like doing in Ubers. So...
00:16:52.65 Stan Lemon imagine Imagine she's no longer in a car seat.
00:16:56.18 Jon I think I would. I think she would think it was super cool.
00:16:59.66 Stan Lemon Okay. you do you think do you think your wife would would jump in with you?
00:17:03.98 Jon No.
00:17:04.68 Stan Lemon No, she'd be looking at you like you're crazy.
00:17:06.83 Jon Although she was visiting her grandparents and was in their Tesla with full automated driving. So maybe it's not that big of a leap, but you still have somebody in the driver's seat at that point.
00:17:17.26 Stan Lemon Yeah, i think I think it's a pretty big leap to go from the car is driving and there's a human behind the wheel to there's no longer a human involved. Because, you know, the kids,
00:17:27.47 Jon I should have gone in one when I was out in San Francisco, Stan.
00:17:31.24 Stan Lemon ah You've got to, I don't know if this is true anymore, but originally you had to like request access and you were in a queue and all that just to be able to request something.
00:17:39.69 Jon So I don't think that was true last fall. um You had to go meet it at the meeting spot, though. um Like, it wouldn't come to your location.
00:17:49.32 Stan Lemon Oh, that's interesting. That's really interesting. I would imagine that most of the, how I say this? Most of the situations where um like the Uber just stops wherever you are, doesn't play out well in a fully automated car.
00:18:03.45 Jon That's true. You have stories about that.
00:18:05.39 Stan Lemon Oh, I've got, Yeah. I've had some weird Ubers, man. That's why to this day, like if I have the, you know, they got the different options and there's like, here's the one that is probably, probably a newer car, probably a better driver and costs, you know, 50% more. I always select that one because to be honest with you, the chance that it's not a first time driver, I'm like, I'm good with that. Like, as long as it's not a first time driver, I think I'm probably okay. I need a couple other people.
00:18:32.62 Stan Lemon I will never be someone's first star anymore. That's that's, I'm just not going to do it.
00:18:38.81 Jon I believe it.
00:18:40.78 Stan Lemon All right, so um what's let's talk about your your news resolution in AI. So remind everybody of what it was.
00:18:50.57 Jon um It was try to push AI to its limits and I've done essentially nothing with it. Like I've done basic things and AI has increased drastically in the last almost five months. um I guess it's been five months since I made that resolution.
00:19:06.90 Jon But yeah.
00:19:08.43 Stan Lemon Five months ago, what did you think it meant?
00:19:12.01 Jon what my resolution meant.
00:19:13.83 Stan Lemon Yeah, like what what did you envision?
00:19:15.85 Jon I thought I was going to go all in on ah agents and trying to come up with agents for me to do different things with, be all in on agent decoding and spend more time in codecs than I have. I believe in another one of my resolutions was write more more code um as judged by GitHub commits. And you might be able to look and see zero on GitHub currently. so
00:19:41.62 Stan Lemon John, what's your, I don't even remember what your username is. I'll look that up.
00:19:44.17 Jon I think it's just John Kohlmeier.
00:19:46.34 Stan Lemon Is it? All right, I'll find it here. ah I am curious to see. So what when you talk about non-agentic coding, because I think agentic coding is becoming a pretty defined thing.
00:19:59.15 Stan Lemon what um What did you have in mind?
00:20:03.02 Jon I mean, like, that that would have included...
00:20:03.08 Stan Lemon Oh, Jonathan, I don't even see. Your last commit. Hold of Your last commit is March eighth And that was that was ah you reviewing an episode of the podcast.
00:20:13.13 Jon Nice.
00:20:13.35 Stan Lemon You've done, let's see. Oh, yeah. In in ah February, your two contribute contributions were also for the podcast site.
00:20:24.45 Stan Lemon Same with, yeah, January. John, this isn't looking good. This is January too. You have not done any agent that could.
00:20:30.46 Jon told you. I called this before you had to go look.
00:20:35.63 Jon I have done agentic coding, just nothing else been in GitHub.
00:20:41.13 Stan Lemon Oh, well, does if if code is written and it's on GitHub, does it even count?
00:20:45.26 Jon right i agree
00:20:47.43 Stan Lemon So I'm going Here, have you looked at mine?
00:20:51.24 Jon if not recently but yours is all asterisks now
00:20:56.91 Stan Lemon there It's it's pretty pretty full. There were two weeks in April where apparently I didn't push up any code, which I find hard to believe, but yet here we are. um i can't fathom...
00:21:10.61 Stan Lemon can't fathom what I was doing in those weeks. It's weird. Huh?
00:21:14.70 Jon You see two in April?
00:21:14.99 Stan Lemon Oh, you know what? One of those was Easter.
00:21:15.72 Jon The one is this, isn't one of those this week?
00:21:19.77 Stan Lemon Oh, maybe.
00:21:21.00 Jon Okay.
00:21:21.13 Stan Lemon No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. These are, these are.
00:21:25.96 Stan Lemon Oh, I guess these are days, man. I can't even read this. I am Jonathan. I'm so tired. Two days this week. Apparently i didn't push anything to get up. That's what this says.
00:21:35.69 Jon In April?
00:21:36.14 Stan Lemon right. Yeah.
00:21:38.11 Jon I see activity for everything, I think.
00:21:42.32 Stan Lemon No, no, no. There's two squares. But anyhow, I digress. um What non-agentic... So what agent stuff did you envision doing?
00:21:49.77 Jon So I don't think that... Oh, non-agentic AI stuff?
00:21:53.93 Stan Lemon Well, non-agentic coding, agentic stuff.
00:21:56.11 Jon So i I don't think that the coding one would have necessarily been completely non-agentic. It would have been just me trying to solve problems with code. um So I don't think AI was excluded from that unnecessarily, um but it was specifically using um specifically working on code, which is something I do not do in my day-to-day like you.
00:22:18.06 Stan Lemon So, and I get that. I think what I'm more curious is like, what were the non-coding things you imagined throwing agents at?
00:22:25.64 Jon um I don't know. I wanted to mess around with it. So maybe it's everything from like email processing to um Could I build my ah content engine to power my website that I haven't touched since I reskinned it?
00:22:43.37 Jon um I don't know. Is there something in my home life? I tend to use AI more at home than I do at work these days. um So i don't know. It's just the whole idea was to explore it, see what people are doing, see what I could implement.
00:22:58.19 Stan Lemon So what do you use it for in your home life?
00:23:01.58 Jon um How to refinish a basement, which we'll talk about later. ah
00:23:06.25 Stan Lemon Okay. So it's still the like, go look up a thing or understand how to do a thing.
00:23:11.53 Jon um
00:23:11.77 Stan Lemon That's the use case still.
00:23:13.34 Jon There's lots of that. There's lots of like um thought partnership kind of things and like playing out scenarios for anything, which I probably should use for the podcast more so that I have more a better way to go here. I've got
00:23:34.60 Jon research, research.
00:23:38.76 Jon Yeah, mostly research.
00:23:40.09 Stan Lemon You're actively looking at your chat GPT. Is that right?
00:23:41.90 Jon I am. Yep.
00:23:43.56 Stan Lemon um I can't ah continue to, and shame on me for doing this, but continue to try and have it do product reviews and analysis for me.
00:23:52.94 Jon Mm-hmm.
00:23:53.64 Stan Lemon And I still find myself just going to the wire cutter and buying whatever they recommend.
00:23:59.98 Jon and Interesting. So I did this earlier today, specifically about Guardian bikes, these ah balance bikes.
00:24:06.86 Stan Lemon Yeah, yeah,
00:24:07.24 Jon um So I'm like, hey is Guardian worth the price or are any of these alternatives ah on the same level?
00:24:16.91 Stan Lemon So you, okay. All right. I have so many thoughts here. So you're, you're, um you're falling victim to Instagram ads, right? That's where you've seen guardian.
00:24:25.93 Jon um I did after Anna started talking about the balance bike, which you probably also saw on Instagram.
00:24:33.35 Stan Lemon Listen, I, all of my kids have been able to ride a bike for a long time and I get guardian ads constantly. yeah like They have they've thrown a ton of money into Instagram ads.
00:24:46.12 Stan Lemon If you go look at what a... First of all, no kid is going super fast on a balance bike.
00:24:52.07 Jon Correct.
00:24:52.11 Stan Lemon right like's i mean I don't know what you're worried about, but I would buy the cheapest balance bike because the reality is they're going to use it this summer maybe next summer and then be done.
00:25:01.03 Jon And then they're going to ride a real bike. Yeah.
00:25:02.69 Stan Lemon Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. the problem, the problem with kids is they grow, they grow so much like the, in between stages, right. They grow so much that, um, you wind up replacing a lot of bikes quite a bit, like very frequently.
00:25:12.78 Jon Hmm.
00:25:18.05 Stan Lemon And in my situation, i was able to buy a nicer bike and then do hand-me-downs. Um, but I don't think like until they get to probably the, uh, So 22 inch tires. I'm think what Evelyn's bike is now.
00:25:31.47 Stan Lemon Um, cause there's like a little bit of a plateau where where they, they don't grow as much, you know? Um, 22 sounds too small. Maybe 26.
00:25:41.06 Jon It does sound too small.
00:25:43.26 Stan Lemon I'm gonna look this up while we talk. Um, uh,
00:25:47.31 Jon Well, chat GPT disagreed with you, Stan. um But thankfully I'm cheap so I haven't bought anything yet.
00:25:53.80 Stan Lemon Trek pre caliber 24. That's what I was thinking of. So the 24 inch bike, that's the one where I felt like they were on it for a bit. The 20 inch bike, that was a fleeting moment. Um, 24, they stayed for a bit.
00:26:06.89 Stan Lemon I don't remember. We probably had a 12 inch bike. I just don't recall. We definitely had a 16 floating around for a while, but those balance bikes, man, they're, they're just like, they're two tack welds on a, on a single piece of metal. Like there's there's nothing going on there. You know?
00:26:21.51 Stan Lemon Um, Yeah. Guardian's got, Guardian actually, i would, I would dare say that Guardian bicycles have ah expertly deployed fear tactic advertising to Instagram.
00:26:36.71 Jon fear tactic i haven't seen any fear tactic
00:26:38.06 Stan Lemon Yeah. Once you start looking, like once you start looking at what they actually like, how they advertise, it's like, if you don't get this expensive Guardian bike, your kid's you know brain will be scrambled eggs on pavement, you know?
00:26:51.24 Jon ah
00:26:52.20 Stan Lemon Yeah, you should, I mean, you should start looking at their,
00:26:52.78 Jon i mean actually read the marketing copy instead of just click through
00:26:58.73 Stan Lemon yeah. Honestly, like, again, I'm i'm just going to say it those, those early stage bikes, as long as you get the a bike that fits the kid and that's, that's the kicker. Like I see kids on, i you know, 16 inch tire bikes that are, are like twice the size that they should be like, like they're, they're twice bigger than they should be on that bike.
00:27:22.54 Stan Lemon Right.
00:27:23.50 Jon I mean, that was a whole thing on those like BMX bikes with pegs, right?
00:27:28.24 Stan Lemon Oh, that's all, that's a different thing. man Yeah. I rode one of those up through high school. But i had I had a long distance mountain bike too. So um I think the other thing that Guardian really pitches hard is the quality of their brakes.
00:27:43.02 Jon Right. But if they're going fast, why do we need brakes?
00:27:45.45 Stan Lemon if they're not Yeah, there's that, but there's also like,
00:27:46.41 Jon And my two year old is also not going to probably press a brake.
00:27:50.67 Stan Lemon yeah, exactly. And I don't even know the balance bikes actually have brakes. That would be interesting if they do.
00:27:55.91 Jon They do.
00:27:56.59 Stan Lemon They do, the the balance bikes have brakes.
00:27:57.55 Jon The guardian one says, yeah.
00:27:59.59 Stan Lemon It's so weird. They're not going that fast. um Here's the other thing too like I have seen kids in the neighborhood who have bikes. They're often too big for them.
00:28:11.24 Stan Lemon right so so parents just don't want to replace them as they as they grow. that's That's part of the jam. And then like you look at their brakes and the pads are completely gone. People don't know how to replace the pads. i think just some of that that basic stuff makes a cheap bike from Walmart just fine.
00:28:29.30 Jon All right.
00:28:29.83 Stan Lemon Now you get to be an adult and you know how feel about adult bikes.
00:28:29.93 Jon Sounds good.
00:28:32.19 Stan Lemon Like you gotta spend the money.
00:28:34.35 Jon How many are you up to now, Stan?
00:28:35.85 Stan Lemon I just have the two. I just have the two. And actually the one, um, I haven't even pulled down and and ridden this year.
00:28:37.45 Jon Okay.
00:28:43.05 Stan Lemon So i don't know.
00:28:43.49 Jon Okay. So maybe that's going to be the next thing on your ah parting with list.
00:28:50.99 Stan Lemon i don't I don't know about part... So I thought about this a little bit um because my CrossRip 2, I really like. I put a lot of miles on it and it is nine years old. And I keep thinking like, if I'm gonna replace it, do I keep the other one? Do i replace both? Like do trade both in? You know, that whole kind of thing.
00:29:11.59 Stan Lemon I bought the other one. The other one's got an upright geometry because I was having issues with my wrist. I haven't had any issues with my wrist in couple of years now. So...
00:29:19.44 Jon Nice.
00:29:20.48 Stan Lemon It's still nice to ride, but I don't know. Yeah.
00:29:26.84 Jon Fun.
00:29:27.05 Stan Lemon Have you back out yet, John?
00:29:29.29 Jon um I moved my bike around today.
00:29:32.55 Stan Lemon What does that mean?
00:29:33.32 Jon mean it is
00:29:34.70 Stan Lemon Did you put air in the tires or no? You
00:29:36.52 Jon i did not put air in tires. I put air in my snowblower tires when I finally shut that down for the year. so
00:29:43.82 Stan Lemon put air in your snowblower tires when you winterized it.
00:29:48.20 Jon ah Mostly because one was very, very flat. Yeah.
00:29:51.89 Stan Lemon Okay. That's a little backwards, you know?
00:29:55.81 Stan Lemon All right. All right. Tell me what's going on with your basement, John.
00:30:03.05 Jon My basement is now carpetless and the old secretary desk that was a bar no longer exists.
00:30:12.01 Stan Lemon Oh, wait, wait, wait. The bar is gone.
00:30:14.42 Jon The bar is gone.
00:30:15.69 Stan Lemon What happened with the bar? How how was that affected by all of this?
00:30:19.27 Jon Well, they had to pull the carpet out anyway. I was not a fan of the bar. um I knew that I could never move the bar by myself. um So they said, yeah, we'll do this for like 70 bucks. And I said, okay, 70 bucks is definitely cheaper than what my time and figuring out where always do is worth. ums
00:30:42.19 Stan Lemon Okay, so I didn't realize that you didn't like the bar. I always thought that you were a big fan of the bar.
00:30:46.95 Jon No, not at all.
00:30:48.91 Stan Lemon Okay, fascinating. So you got rid of
00:30:50.12 Jon And apparently they pulled it up and the bottom was molding. so you know, good to get it up.
00:30:54.92 Stan Lemon bar. Okay, well, it was good to get rid of it then. Yeah. right, so this is all because of water coming in the house?
00:31:01.45 Jon Water came in the house. I came home Friday couple weeks ago, two Fridays ago. Walked over to my cabinet where my wine glasses are stored and my sock gets wet.
00:31:15.05 Jon And I'm like, this is not how I wanted to spend my Friday night um in my bachelor ah lifestyle as my girls were out traveling.
00:31:15.47 Stan Lemon yeah
00:31:24.68 Jon So did that. Pulled up carpet. Then pulled up carpet over on the side by that patio door that leads out to the pit to nowhere. um And got fans going, got dehumidifier going. ah Couldn't move enough stuff to get the carpet up all the way that it has been wet. So it got wet pretty far into the room.
00:31:52.87 Stan Lemon Oh, so it it wicked it wi all over then, eh?
00:31:56.35 Jon Yep. Well, not all over, like it was but it was probably at least a third of the whole carpet.
00:32:03.31 Stan Lemon Okay. So at this point, you decide to have someone come, rip it all out. They take... You said the secretary's desk? Okay.
00:32:10.65 Jon It was like this old school secretary's desk. um like on the back side, don't know if you ever were back there, but they had like these old ah lamps underneath it, and there were like outlets and stuff. so
00:32:24.62 Stan Lemon I had no idea. I actually thought it was just like a bar that was in there. And I honestly thought you loved it. So the the previous owner left it down there.
00:32:32.91 Jon Previous owner left it down there, and I think probably the owner before them. um But yeah. So I left it down there.
00:32:39.53 Stan Lemon Okay.
00:32:40.69 Jon There's not a lot I actually like about my basement stand. There's like those weird ah styrofoam beams that they put up there, put up in the ceiling. It's like the fake wood looking ones.
00:32:50.09 Stan Lemon fake The fake wood-looking ones, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:32:53.46 Jon So yeah.
00:32:55.24 Stan Lemon But you spend a fair amount of time down there, don't you?
00:32:57.45 Jon I do.
00:32:58.41 Stan Lemon Okay. so So you have no carpet. Is the plan to put carpet in? What what are you going to do next?
00:33:03.53 Jon I am not going to put carpet back in, partially because it's not something I can do myself and actually trust myself to do it to a place where I enjoy the quality of it. um Partially because what happens when more water comes at some point in the future? so
00:33:20.11 Stan Lemon is Is the wall that faces your driveway, which is I'm presuming where the water came in, is that is there is that just exposed stone or or foundation or is there drywall in front of that?
00:33:33.60 Jon There's drywall in front of it.
00:33:35.08 Stan Lemon Okay. Have you looked at that? Like what kind of mesh you might have there?
00:33:39.37 Jon ah We have... It looks like it's coming up from the floor. So it looks like like they didn't say, yeah, we should rip out all the drywall.
00:33:47.91 Stan Lemon Huh. Okay. From the floor, that's fascinating. So what, did they give you a plan? Like what's your remediation?
00:33:55.79 Jon um They did not. I have some ideas. um One is there's a downspout in the front corner that catches a very small portion of the roof that I need to figure out a way to send that water further away from the house. um Two, I need to reseal um the crack in between the driveway and the foundation wall.
00:34:20.33 Stan Lemon Okay. Okay. So think water's getting down there, maybe run under the slab coming up?
00:34:26.06 Jon I do. And this happened when you were here for my birthday party and you helped me do water mitigation at that point. um And then that has not been an issue since I sealed that driveway. So it's been there for what?
00:34:44.23 Jon Eight years? Something like that.
00:34:45.82 Stan Lemon Okay. All right. The, the ceiling that you use is like a clock, right?
00:34:47.63 Jon No, i'm seven years.
00:34:49.72 Stan Lemon It's like a cement clock.
00:34:51.56 Jon ah Yeah. So the one that I use, it's like auto leveling too. um
00:34:55.98 Stan Lemon Okay.
00:34:56.23 Jon And that has worked pretty well.
00:34:57.77 Stan Lemon You have to probably put a backer rod in behind it.
00:35:01.71 Jon I have not done that, but maybe you should come out and help me, Stan.
00:35:05.61 Stan Lemon a
00:35:06.57 Jon ah
00:35:06.89 Stan Lemon and Well, how big is the crack?
00:35:10.28 Jon ah Probably quarter inch.
00:35:14.57 Stan Lemon And you just put caulk in the quarter inch crack and say,
00:35:19.43 Jon Yeah, I think I went through like eight caulking tubes.
00:35:22.63 Stan Lemon yeah, you got to use a backer rod. So you get these foam backer rods and you shove it down in there and then you don't have to use as much caulk on top of it. And should, you know, hopefully be,
00:35:30.85 Jon OK. That means I'm going to have to rip out everything else there, doesn't it, Stan? OK.
00:35:35.61 Stan Lemon I bet you it's going to come up just easy, John. You're going to get like one section, you'll be able to tug on it and go from there.
00:35:44.27 Stan Lemon But that said, if it doesn't come up, I mean, maybe you just caulk over top of it, but um the backer rod just gives you a way of like not burning through tons and tons of caulk.
00:35:49.12 Jon Right.
00:35:54.44 Jon OK.
00:35:55.82 Stan Lemon Yeah. It's just a little foam backer rod. There's super stupid teeth here.
00:35:57.67 Jon This is why I need you, Stan. We can do that.
00:35:59.05 Stan Lemon Yeah.
00:35:59.69 Jon We can rebuild my deck. It will be fun.
00:36:02.36 Stan Lemon rebuild your deck. So the backer route I only know about because I have some cracks in the the basement slab that there's just normal like concrete slab dried and they didn't, you know, if you if you got a big slab, you don't have like a break point.
00:36:17.20 Stan Lemon Eventually there's contraction, it's gonna crack, right?
00:36:19.37 Jon No.
00:36:20.81 Stan Lemon And i did i did the the cement type caulking, self-leveling stuff. And the parts that used backer route on, I mean, they're they're beautiful. Like they're absolutely gorgeous.
00:36:31.36 Stan Lemon And the others, I burn through a lot of caulk and they're pretty ugly. So yeah, back around, phone back around.
00:36:36.20 Jon All right. Good to know.
00:36:39.11 Stan Lemon There you go. That's your, your, ah mr bason Oh yeah.
00:36:41.03 Jon And they've they've got them at Lowe's.
00:36:44.22 Stan Lemon Lowe's home Depot, Ace hardware, phone back around. mean, you can't, I can't go wrong. So, but,
00:36:50.45 Jon All right, so we got that. On the backside, i need to do some regrading on the back, but I think this was just the amount of rain, um the ground being saturated, and then I had a dog toy that was stuck in the gutter.
00:37:08.97 Jon um So gutter's not functioning properly there, but we'll see because we're supposed to get another inch of rain tomorrow.
00:37:11.80 Stan Lemon Stuck in gutter.
00:37:17.07 Stan Lemon Okay. So you got the dog toy out of there, I presume.
00:37:19.34 Jon Yes.
00:37:20.90 Stan Lemon um yeah Are your, are your, uh, downspots all aluminum?
00:37:27.18 Jon Yes.
00:37:28.14 Stan Lemon Okay.
00:37:28.75 Jon All newly replaced after the 2020 derecho.
00:37:32.75 Stan Lemon Oh, so, but you said there, you think they gotta be further away from the house?
00:37:37.77 Jon um So the one that's in the front corner where it's my sidewalk and my driveway meet up. Basically the downspout is flying into the sidewalk um straight out and then that's back filling up the cement that's there.
00:37:57.64 Stan Lemon Okay.
00:37:58.28 Jon So I think I probably need to like angle it out onto the driveway and to get it to shed off down that angle. But that's going to become a huge issue in the winter.
00:38:10.25 Stan Lemon Why is it a huge issue in the winter, John?
00:38:12.58 Jon A nice patch.
00:38:14.03 Stan Lemon Oh, I see. Oh, um home, home.
00:38:17.23 Jon right around the corner so I don't know like there's no I've got that peak above the main window which is why there's that little piece of gutter there and the downspout um like but it's annoying like I don't the only thing that I can think to do with it is figure out how do I make it go under the sidewalk
00:38:39.98 Stan Lemon I mean, people do that, right? Like you can do underground. i will tell I've got all of my downspots originally went underground and then they have these like ejection flapper things, right?
00:38:52.06 Stan Lemon So enough water goes through, pushes out.
00:38:52.65 Jon Right.
00:38:54.26 Stan Lemon I use these Amerimax Stealth Flow downspout extenders now.
00:39:10.83 Stan Lemon I actually had the the front downspout or the front front gutter rather of the house replaced with a bigger gutter. Cause I have a whole bunch of water going into it. And then I use these extenders and I actually have just abandoned all of my underground downspouts. You get a little bit of dirt in there or, um you know, grass grows, man. It starts to cover that stuff up. If you don't have water for a bit, you gotta just constantly check them.
00:39:36.36 Stan Lemon And in in my situation, especially with leaves, and i imagine this would happen for you too. i they go down and there's not enough water pressure to push those back out. So they just get, they just get gunked up.
00:39:48.36 Stan Lemon And I had one actually here on the Southeast side of the house. So not the side that, that faces spears, right. But in the front there and roots actually grew through the corrugated pipe that was underground.
00:40:05.87 Stan Lemon And yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:06.38 Jon seriously okay
00:40:09.90 Stan Lemon because and they get they're not like the corrugated plastic the stuff that you put down like it's not gonna last forever
00:40:15.21 Jon I know, but like your house is not that old.
00:40:16.59 Stan Lemon eyes out craing
00:40:19.56 Stan Lemon i know it's not that old but it is
00:40:20.33 Jon So the roots did that much damage in that amount of time.
00:40:23.18 Stan Lemon yeah i mean the house is the house is what almost ten years old and so you know
00:40:28.26 Jon You're going to have show me what you're doing with these things because you can't really tell from the picture.
00:40:34.79 Stan Lemon So you'll you'll find there's a whole system with these, but what's nice about it is they've got like nice airflow through them as well.
00:40:44.55 Jon Okay.
00:40:44.62 Stan Lemon But they're just easy to shape. I can send you some pictures, but I actually kind of like them. Yeah.
00:40:49.95 Jon Nice.
00:40:52.20 Jon Cool.
00:40:52.23 Stan Lemon Doing these on the main downspouts has largely solved my water runoff issues. um And, you know, I didn't have to worry.
00:40:58.18 Jon Nice.
00:41:00.96 Stan Lemon Like i was using some flexible piping beforehand and those like, yeah, the problem is the wind will just like move that to wherever it wants.
00:41:04.20 Jon All right. I've got that in this corner here.
00:41:09.92 Jon Hmm.
00:41:10.31 Stan Lemon Right. So these are rigid enough that like I set them at an angle, they're good to go. So, yeah, I don't know.
00:41:14.50 Jon Okay. All right. I will check them out, Stanley.
00:41:17.33 Stan Lemon I'll send you a picture, but all right. Last, last ah topic for the day here. ah You wrote down Tim Cook stepping down.
00:41:26.43 Jon I Big Apple news. And I figured we should cover it here since we started as an Apple podcast.
00:41:32.71 Stan Lemon Did we start his Apple podcast? Yeah.
00:41:34.86 Jon at The first episode is about MacBook Pro launch back in whatever year.
00:41:39.40 Stan Lemon Is it really? Did you go back and look at that or do you just remember that that's what we talked about?
00:41:43.21 Jon I just remember that, Stan.
00:41:44.42 Stan Lemon It's just what you remember. Okay.
00:41:45.93 Jon All right.
00:41:46.41 Stan Lemon um Yeah, I guess the news wasn't that unexpected and people have been asking about it in his succession plans for a while. um the What is it?
00:41:57.28 Stan Lemon Ternus, I think that's say his name. He's taken over.
00:42:00.08 Jon I think so too. I would assume you would know better than me.
00:42:01.08 Stan Lemon Yeah.
00:42:04.65 Stan Lemon I mean, like he's been the heir apparent for a while, right? And so I think the only risk was, would he leave to be CEO of something else? and you know would like What's he going to be CEO of? He's been at Apple a long time, clearly you know into the company.
00:42:18.58 Stan Lemon I think what's interesting about this is we're getting a product guy, an engineer guy back in the helm, um Tim Cook.
00:42:24.48 Jon Right.
00:42:27.69 Jon So you say back in the helm, but that wasn't really Jobs either.
00:42:33.63 Stan Lemon Well, he had done some basic engineering, right? But he was definitely a product guy, unequivocally a product guy. And so, and a marketing guy.
00:42:39.11 Jon And a marketing guy.
00:42:40.96 Stan Lemon And you know Tim Cook, is he's this he's the COO, right?
00:42:44.55 Jon Operations.
00:42:46.00 Stan Lemon Like he he did... um manufacturing at scale, like that with logistics, that was his jam and he was fantastic at it. But I think it'll be interesting to see what happens as it shifts back to a CEO who's been a little more um ingrained into the the product side of it.
00:43:06.04 Stan Lemon Now, I'm not going to discount Tim Cook and say that he wasn't involved in the product launches, right? Like ah yeah he was he was a big believer in Apple products.
00:43:11.51 Jon Right.
00:43:14.86 Stan Lemon But I also think, you know, he's been the helm while Apple has kind of lost its way in some regards too. you know, the Siri controversy is not going away.
00:43:23.99 Jon True.
00:43:25.41 Stan Lemon It's not going away anytime soon.
00:43:26.44 Jon yeah But maybe it will be solved.
00:43:31.08 Stan Lemon Maybe, but it'll be solved under the next CEO. Probably not not the best to look for Tim Cook on the way out, but, you know.
00:43:36.60 Jon Right.
00:43:37.18 Stan Lemon um I look at that, i look at like some of the drama around Apple's more professional grade hardware. you know, the Vision Pro is in a weird situation as it as it stands, right? um And, ah you know, but he, like you can't argue with the business he's built around services, you know?
00:44:01.04 Jon Right.
00:44:01.45 Stan Lemon um Apple TV, like that's a, that's a fully Tim Cook thing. Heck the Apple watch, Apple fitness plus.
00:44:07.37 Jon Apple Watch.
00:44:08.69 Stan Lemon um So.
00:44:09.96 Jon Everything that kind of went into that Apple Watch, um and now it is like a health device and a fitness device. I guess it started as a fitness device, but like they kind of took that to crazy levels.
00:44:20.75 Stan Lemon Yeah. And,
00:44:23.69 Stan Lemon they Well, they have, they've they've really built it out. i mean, like, I think when I first got my watch, right, I assumed I would be ah a unique special. I don't know.
00:44:34.49 Stan Lemon Right. Cause like, I didn't think, I didn't think it would be nearly as mainstream as it is.
00:44:34.99 Jon Right.
00:44:37.89 Stan Lemon And it's absolutely a mainstream product.
00:44:38.33 Jon Right.
00:44:39.65 Stan Lemon It is as mainstream as the iPhone, ah as ubiquitous as the iPhone. Same with the AirPods, by the way, which also Tim Cook, you know, So I like, you just think about like, what are the three devices that most Americans have iPhone AirPods watch.
00:44:56.23 Stan Lemon Right.
00:44:56.67 Jon Right.
00:44:57.29 Stan Lemon And, um, that's been under his watch. I don't know what the numbers are for iPads compared to watches. I got to think the watch sells more though.
00:45:05.77 Jon I would assume so too. Yep.
00:45:07.79 Stan Lemon So, you know, it's, um I think he's got a lot of lot of notches on his belt, a lot of things to be proud of. I think this Siri thing, you know, we've talked about it. Apple lost their way a little bit. It's it's a sour note to go on, but that's that's the, like, this this new guy, right, Ternus, so he's got to figure out how to solve the Siri thing, right?
00:45:27.72 Stan Lemon um And he's to need to launch his own product, and that that's tricky. ah Could it be the glasses? Yeah. Maybe. i't know. Is Apple going to get into glasses? Who knows?
00:45:38.41 Stan Lemon um It definitely seems like a natural progression to all of these things, but he's going to have you know, figure out, is there a business to be had in the Vision Pro or do you scuttle that?
00:45:49.24 Jon Right.
00:45:49.28 Stan Lemon I don't i mean, that's a tricky one, you
00:45:52.23 Jon Yeah. Vision pro specifically is interesting. Um, I feel like it probably went to market too soon before it was refined more specifically in the weight and battery life categories. Um, but they also could have just been trying to proof of concept that at, ah at scale.
00:46:13.29 Stan Lemon And i think I think the latter is definitely what's happening. here's Here's what I'll, maybe the counterpoint I'll give you, right? So the first iPhone, stupid expensive, definitely niche market device, right?
00:46:24.33 Stan Lemon You rewind to the first Macintosh, you know pretty expensive, pretty niche device. So it's not outside of Apple's DNA to release something that is seeking market fit.
00:46:36.81 Stan Lemon The weird thing from my perspective about the Vision Pro that so the iPhone comes out within two years, we've got the iPhone 3g, right? And then we have the 3gs in rapid succession that we get a little bit of lull and then we get the four and then we, we get on, you know, annual cadence of releases.
00:46:53.16 Stan Lemon And the the, vision pro has had two versions. The second one was a minor chip bump, right?
00:46:58.07 Jon Right. Because they ran out of supply for the other chip, probably.
00:46:59.19 Stan Lemon Uh, Probably something like that, right? But but I think it it shows a lack of ah roadmap, rap of lack of evolution. And that's the thing that's weird to me about the vision.
00:47:11.24 Jon even in Even in Vision OS, like there's nothing that's been drastic about Vision OS um in however many versions we've seen now.
00:47:21.35 Stan Lemon Yeah, I mean, i would it's gotta be three or four at this point, three or four iterations of the OS.
00:47:26.47 Jon Yeah. And like we got we got different gestures and things like that, which was cool. We got the extended desktop, which I don't use, but maybe I should. um And we've got iterations of ah the avatar. What's the avatar called? Why is it escaping me?
00:47:44.82 Stan Lemon Oh, I don't know. I couldn't even say what it's called. I can't remember last time i used something where the avatar was relevant.
00:47:50.52 Jon Right.
00:47:51.43 Stan Lemon Yeah. I mean, this is the thing. Like, I think they had some hypotheses that they haven't doubled down on with the Vision Pro.
00:47:58.48 Jon Yeah.
00:47:59.95 Stan Lemon um And so it sits in this weird limbo state. And that's something that Turner is going to have to figure out, like, is this a product that they continue? They've sunk a lot of money into making content for it. The corpus of content is actually starting to get interesting, right?
00:48:13.93 Stan Lemon But is that, is it just a content consumption device? Because to be honest with you if it is, like $3,500 lot of money for a television.
00:48:24.84 Jon These days, yeah.
00:48:25.87 Stan Lemon Yeah. I mean, it is, it is. Right. So and for for television, that one person can watch by themselves.
00:48:30.31 Jon very they You can only watch, yeah.
00:48:33.05 Stan Lemon Yeah. I don't think the games have really kind of landed. i
00:48:38.17 Jon No.
00:48:38.91 Stan Lemon There's some, some interesting ideas, right? Remember when we played chess together, but we haven't done that since.
00:48:42.42 Jon Yep.
00:48:44.11 Stan Lemon And I think the, the interactive game front could have been, could have been a category, but they just haven't doubled down on it, you know?
00:48:51.88 Jon Right. I mean, that's where the other um the other VR headsets really have doubled down is in the gaming sphere. um And yeah I don't know how much of it is the comfort thing versus how much of it is the content's just not there.
00:49:16.27 Stan Lemon Yeah. um Yeah. I don't know. it's It's a good question. I will say, I don't, I think some of the angst around the weight and so forth is a little overblown.
00:49:29.49 Stan Lemon Yeah. I, you know, if you put the, if you keep this thing in your head for two hours, it's, it's not going to be comfortable, but I don't, I don't know.
00:49:34.73 Jon Which right now we're doing that to, if you want to watch a movie, like I did that last weekend.
00:49:35.05 Stan Lemon does
00:49:40.47 Jon Damn.
00:49:41.81 Stan Lemon But okay. When you do that, aren't you sitting in your chair, kicking back? Okay, and I think that mitigates a lot of it, right? so
00:49:48.07 Jon Well, it does, but still after two hours, like it's like, oh, um there's fatigue there. Part of that is even in the eyes is that you've got these giant bright screens at your eyes. And part of it is like, oh, this thing is on. It keeps shifting down unless I have the thing really tight. um there's just There's room for improvement there.
00:50:11.43 Stan Lemon So the question becomes, would glasses be a new product or an adjacent product?
00:50:20.97 Jon a good question. And it could go either way.
00:50:22.51 Stan Lemon i don't i don't know if i don't know if the Vision OS as we have it is a form factor that plays to the glasses. The other thing is, ah to be honest with you, most of the glasses that are on the market now, they are not doing HUDs, right?
00:50:34.34 Stan Lemon They're they're just, they can see what you see and they can process via audio.
00:50:34.89 Jon Right.
00:50:40.83 Stan Lemon that's That's what it amounts to.
00:50:42.16 Jon Right.
00:50:42.56 Stan Lemon But speaking of which, I've been super tempted as much as I am not really a Facebook fan, though I spend a lot of time on Instagram. I've been so tempted to buy one of these meta Ray-Ban glasses.
00:50:55.00 Jon Yeah.
00:50:55.59 Stan Lemon Just to try them. I don't know. Like, I really, almost, if you remember way back in the day, I almost bought Google Glass.
00:50:58.70 Jon You should do it, Sam.
00:51:03.76 Jon Yep. I do remember that.
00:51:05.19 Stan Lemon I was so close. I think I finally did end up, because if I remember, it wasn't there a raffle or something. I think I submitted my name, but I never got pulled for the raffle. I don't know.
00:51:13.45 Jon Did you have to like put down a deposit too to even enter it?
00:51:16.39 Stan Lemon Yeah, there was it was it was like, it was a high stakes game, but, you know, um and I'm not, I'm not adverse to to being an early adopter for new technology from companies other than Apple.
00:51:17.39 Jon Yeah.
00:51:26.03 Stan Lemon If you remember, I jumped on the Echo bandwagon crazy early, but i don't know.
00:51:30.12 Jon Yep. And then pulled me in with you.
00:51:33.39 Stan Lemon Yeah, pulled you. And now here we are. you ever Do you ever wonder if the new Alexa is is better?
00:51:40.75 Jon I don't. And I think that is mostly because of Apple music, which I don't even know if they solved for. And can you stream your Apple music to that device now?
00:51:50.74 Stan Lemon Surely you can stream. Hold on. Can you stream Apple Music on an Alexa device?
00:52:00.81 Stan Lemon Yeah, you can link your account with supporting music stream provider in the Lex app. That's what says.
00:52:04.48 Jon Okay. Maybe. Maybe you should buy one of those too, Stan. Do it for the podcast.
00:52:10.70 Stan Lemon Well, the the interesting thing about that that whole space is they've leaned in on the show, right?
00:52:16.17 Jon Right.
00:52:16.42 Stan Lemon that's the That's the premium Lex experience.
00:52:18.21 Jon Don't they have some robot too?
00:52:20.99 Stan Lemon I don't think they actually still sell that, do they?
00:52:23.17 Jon Oh, I don't know.
00:52:25.19 Stan Lemon that That almost seemed gimmicky. What was that called?
00:52:28.68 Jon There's nothing wrong with a little bit of gimmick here and there, Astro.
00:52:30.15 Stan Lemon Astro, it was the Astro. You can request an invitation for Astro. Maybe Astro requests an invitation.
00:52:42.02 Stan Lemon It's kind of a cool looking thing. I think this would freak my way.
00:52:43.95 Jon that one yeah That one you should probably run by Sarah before you A long time ago, Stan.
00:52:47.71 Stan Lemon Now I already hit the button. I just requested the invitation. So I do think there's a world in which I have the equivalent of Johnny Five in my home and and life is just better.
00:52:59.69 Stan Lemon You know, you mean did you ever watch the movie Short Circuit?
00:53:06.03 Stan Lemon That is one of my favorite movies of all time, Short Circuit. And Short Circuit 2 is okay, but Short Circuit, I just, I love it.
00:53:12.65 Jon I've never seen two.
00:53:14.55 Stan Lemon I love it. And I would go back and watch it in a heartbeat.
00:53:18.83 Jon Is it streaming anywhere, Stan? Should we watch it for the pod?
00:53:22.15 Stan Lemon Is Short Circuit streaming? I feel like this is one you just got to buy.
00:53:29.74 Stan Lemon Yeah, maybe it's on Netflix.
00:53:33.01 Jon All right.
00:53:33.00 Stan Lemon Nope, it's not currently available. No, you got to buy this one. But the good news is it looks like it's only $5 on Amazon Prime. So I wonder if I, I don't think I own this one, do I?
00:53:41.74 Jon ah
00:53:44.28 Stan Lemon It's $10 on Apple TV, which is where I would buy it. Such a great movie. Such a great movie.
00:53:51.08 Jon Well, it sounds like you have your Friday family movie night picked out.
00:53:54.95 Stan Lemon Oh, if I could get one of the kids to watch this with me, that'd be fantastic. You know, the the thing, I had this on VHS and it is one of several VHS movies that I wore out. I wore out this one. I wore out Star Trek Generations. I wore out Apollo 13.
00:54:10.79 Stan Lemon And so it was a Real Geniuses? Is that the other movie I wore out?
00:54:15.12 Jon Oh, yeah.
00:54:15.98 Stan Lemon Yeah, Real Genius. I wore that one out too. That's a Val Kilmer movie. That's 1985. That's old. That's old. That's me old.
00:54:24.52 Jon so here That's the year you were born, Stan.
00:54:26.76 Stan Lemon Yeah, I know.
00:54:27.17 Jon Short Circuit is 86.
00:54:29.00 Stan Lemon You say, the young those are good movie instance movies.
00:54:31.50 Jon ah As we're talking about things we watch in all of our free time, ah I started a new TV show that I think you will love ah even more so than I thought you would love Drops of God.
00:54:42.76 Stan Lemon Oh, okay. Tell me, tell me what this is, Jonathan.
00:54:46.15 Jon Have you heard of The Bear?
00:54:48.71 Stan Lemon Like cocaine bear?
00:54:51.38 Jon No, like the FX TV show The Bear.
00:54:54.76 Stan Lemon no
00:54:56.01 Jon Okay, so...
00:54:57.11 Stan Lemon Cocaine Bearer is a movie, just to be clear.
00:54:59.25 Jon Okay.
00:54:59.69 Stan Lemon Right? You know what? Okay, all right. that' my shit i I wasn't coming out left field just referencing cocaine for fun.
00:55:04.86 Jon I was a little bit out of lefty about that.
00:55:09.81 Jon Anyways, so I started this. I think they just started season three or four or something like that. but So I don't think it's complete yet, which is a strike against it. But basically, it's this Michelin-starred-level chef um who goes back and starts running a beef shop in Chicago.
00:55:30.52 Stan Lemon A beef shop?
00:55:31.82 Jon Yeah.
00:55:32.87 Stan Lemon Okay. what is what What is a beef shop?
00:55:36.33 Jon Like an Italian beef.
00:55:38.06 Stan Lemon Oh, oh, oh.
00:55:38.45 Jon it's not it It's not a stand. It's like an actual restaurant. And so it's like, so far it's interesting. I'm like four episodes in.
00:55:45.67 Stan Lemon And this is on FX. So how do you stream it, Jonathan? What what what do you
00:55:47.95 Jon So it's on Hulu. um And I was scrolling through Disney Plus and it's like, oh, I can watch it with my Disney Plus subscription. So we'll see how long that lasts and if I'll have to subscribe to Hulu, but.
00:56:00.30 Stan Lemon There you go All right. You just reminded me, i I went to a restaurant. I didn't send you pictures, but I took pictures. um I just sent you them. this is a restaurant This is from a restaurant called Nesso in Indianapolis. And it is an Italian American restaurant. And i just just so you know what ah what you're looking at here. i don't remember what the puff pastry thing is. me see if can find the menu.
00:56:22.73 Stan Lemon um Nesso menu. But i got the veal. And the veal Milanese was phenomenal.
00:56:34.92 Stan Lemon you remember the last time you had a veal?
00:56:37.35 Jon I made veal the last time I had veal, um maybe three four years ago.
00:56:45.16 Stan Lemon the appetizer is gnocco fritto, um which is, it's it's fried dough from Romagna region. It's light, puffy, and it was just filled with Italian goodness.
00:56:58.70 Stan Lemon um I got the pappardelle pasta. There's brisket, shortbread brisket in there. if I remember shortbread brisket, sorry. Brisket of some sort. um We had the veal Milanese.
00:57:13.39 Stan Lemon um Sarah had, don't know, it was it was like, I should know this, crab ravioli. That's what was. And then we we wrapped up with tiramisu, which is one of my love languages.
00:57:25.48 Stan Lemon But then olive cake. Have you ever had olive cake?
00:57:28.97 Jon Not that I remember.
00:57:30.57 Stan Lemon Oh, this was this was unbelievable. Like if I went back again, i would just get olive cake. Their tiramisu was fantastic, but I would just get the olive cake. There were candied oranges, a chocolate sauce, and a chocolate gelato on the side.
00:57:42.15 Stan Lemon Easily the best a dessert that I've had in recent memory.
00:57:47.45 Jon looks very good.
00:57:48.88 Stan Lemon It was fantastic.
00:57:49.26 Jon Oh, it's the occasion, Stan.
00:57:51.92 Stan Lemon Uh, so Lucy was supposed to have a track meet, got canceled. Uh, Henry was supposed to have lacrosse practice, got canceled. And so Evelyn was going to at a, uh, sleepover.
00:58:05.87 Stan Lemon But when we thought there was gonna be track lacrosse sleepover, we're like, oh, we'll go out for dinner.
00:58:10.38 Jon nice
00:58:11.27 Stan Lemon And then when the other two things got canceled, we just told the kids figure it out and we went anyhow, but you see a bottle of wine.
00:58:18.09 Jon nice i did was good enough for for you to take a picture
00:58:21.96 Stan Lemon So that was from Puglia.
00:58:25.95 Stan Lemon Primitivo from Puglia.
00:58:27.53 Jon m
00:58:28.10 Stan Lemon pulia
00:58:29.81 Jon You sent me the cheese store of Beverly Hills at a bunch of Puglia wine that they were featuring in one of the shorts. And I laughed. And I said, you should probably look at housing prices there. Sounds like there's lots of ah red tape to do pretty much anything. And it would not be your kind of place to live year round. But maybe you go spend a couple months there every year.
00:58:50.15 Stan Lemon Just, yeah, a couple months and wine, enjoy the Italian countryside. But I don't know, John, maybe someday.
00:58:55.21 Jon Nice. I've got to come visit you so you can take me to fancy restaurants.
00:59:00.36 Stan Lemon we got to to a fancy restaurant. I got, I still have that bottle of Robert Mondavi that I bought that I have not opened. This is the bottle I had on the cruise that I am reserving for your presence. I think I probably have some other wine downstairs that you should try too.
00:59:13.87 Jon Well, we would definitely drink more of the wine downstairs. Are you around for Memorial Day?
00:59:19.40 Stan Lemon I think so. I think so.
00:59:20.91 Jon maybe we Maybe we should talk about that some more, Stan.
00:59:23.79 Stan Lemon Do you actually get Memorial Day off, Jonathan?
00:59:25.96 Jon I get Memorial Day off.
00:59:27.68 Stan Lemon Are you sure? That's one of your like negative three holidays.
00:59:29.05 Jon I'm sure.
00:59:32.62 Jon i have six holidays and now I have a floating holiday that can be used on any of 12 pre-approved days. So I can take...
00:59:40.33 Stan Lemon So I will tell you, I'm just looking at the calendar here. So Memorial Day is the 25th.
00:59:45.35 Jon Yes.
00:59:45.67 Stan Lemon Um, I actually have Pilates that day. They could probably move, but that's, that's the thing.
00:59:50.71 Jon At what time?
00:59:52.04 Stan Lemon Uh, right now it's at noon. I can probably move it back, but you have to leave.
00:59:54.28 Jon Well, i'll I'll have to leave on Memorial Day because I have to work on the 26th.
00:59:58.36 Stan Lemon All right. On the 23rd, Lucy has her track Midwest championships, which looks to be like, cause Terre Haute.
01:00:04.55 Jon And she's she's she's running well enough to make the championships.
01:00:11.24 Stan Lemon i I think everybody gets to show up to the championship. I don't know. I don't i don't think there's actually like qualifiers for... She's doing pretty good, but I but don't i don't know if there's a qualifier per se.
01:00:17.56 Jon Okay.
01:00:20.55 Stan Lemon So anyhow, Jonathan, all that to say, ah i would be i'd be up for it. And...
01:00:26.49 Jon We'll talk about it, or maybe we see if one of my 12 pre-approved holidays makes more sense.
01:00:32.46 Stan Lemon There you go. The Mandalorian comes out that Friday. Did you know there's a movie?
01:00:38.63 Jon i was I did. i was just um seeing memories of our great adventures and game adventure. um
01:00:48.87 Stan Lemon that was That was peak podcast.
01:00:49.03 Jon So. That was peak podcast. We recorded that at like 2 a.m. So go back and find it somewhere.
01:00:54.35 Stan Lemon Yeah, that was after watching it twice back to back. I think it's the only time I've ever seen movie back to back, but.
01:00:57.34 Jon I think that's also the day that we decided we would no longer record in person.
01:01:03.85 Stan Lemon Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was brutal. was brutal.
01:01:05.74 Jon ah
01:01:06.30 Stan Lemon There's got to be a way to do that. I actually have a mixer now that might make it easier, to be honest with you, but.
01:01:10.06 Jon And just the right microphones and things like that.
01:01:12.17 Stan Lemon Yeah, all those things.
01:01:12.42 Jon But.
01:01:13.37 Stan Lemon So, right, Jonathan, ah it has been good. I apologize for missing last week. Life has been so busy. It sailed right by me.
01:01:20.04 Jon Well, I was dealing with a flooding basement, so I wasn't really care.
01:01:20.74 Stan Lemon Do you know the flow phases? So, life happens.
01:01:24.30 Jon Be free with the podcast. Sorry to all of our faithful listeners who missed us might be There might be two and a half.
01:01:28.39 Stan Lemon Yeah, all'll ah all three of you. No, just kidding. there's There's at least four. right. Well, as always, the podcast just serves to feed my vanity, so.
01:01:40.39 Jon Right. That's why your name is in the title.
01:01:43.31 Stan Lemon All right, Jonathan. Until next time, my friend.
01:01:44.17 Jon ah Later.