00:00:53.09 Jon Stanley, you told me I'm supposed to ask you about red sauce and dueling LLMs, but mostly I'm concerned about the redness on your face.
00:01:02.65 Stan Lemon All right. So yes, it is. Hold on. I'm going to, I'm going the folks that watch the YouTube will be able to see this, but I'm going to roll back my ah headphones so you can see just how, because I took my hat off. ah Dear listener, I'm wearing a hat, ah which I don't normally do inside,
00:01:22.12 Stan Lemon but I've been trying to protect my scalp because I have burned my face like none other. I haven't had sunburn this bad since ah the summer of 2001, Memorial Day, Sorry,
00:01:40.11 Jon Okay.
00:01:40.47 Stan Lemon i'm only off off by turning
00:01:40.59 Jon I was going to say 2001 before John. Okay. ah before drawn
00:01:45.42 Stan Lemon yeah Yeah, No, no. 2021, I cooked um a bunch of meat on the grill for the neighborhood. had a little block party outside, of course, because we were still scared of indoor air.
00:01:57.10 Stan Lemon And I i got sunburned so bad on my neck, actually, because I was wearing a hat that it blistered, which is like the worst, right? But yes, my my face hurts, Jonathan. And not just not just when people look at it, but when I feel feel it Um, and it's all Lucy's fault to be honest with you.
00:02:17.02 Jon Yeah, that tracks.
00:02:17.80 Stan Lemon Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, normally when I travel, I take a hat with me, uh, just, just out of instinct. Like I so i shove one in the bag. I didn't do that this weekend and when we went to Nashville.
00:02:31.43 Stan Lemon And I don't know why. i don't like i almost never pack sunscreen, um but I should, right? I should. And I have a little bottle now that will go in my bag.
00:02:40.17 Jon Probably.
00:02:42.80 Stan Lemon I'm showing it on the camera. This is Neutrogena Ultra Sheer Dry Touch Sunscreen Broad Spectrum SPF 70. I think 70 is a big number when it comes to s SPF. I think. I don't know.
00:02:56.42 Jon I don't know either.
00:02:57.55 Stan Lemon Yeah. It seems important. Yeah. John is bad. i I was at the track from eight until four 30, no hat. And I did not bring sunscreen.
00:03:08.78 Stan Lemon And, uh, it was mostly a sunny day. It was only cloudy at the end, but I could feel around like two o'clock. I could feel stuff starting to hurt.
00:03:17.16 Jon Hmm.
00:03:18.06 Stan Lemon It's not a good, not good.
00:03:18.12 Jon Not good.
00:03:19.62 Stan Lemon Not good. Yeah. So take care of your body.
00:03:21.64 Jon all All because you're the dad who shows up for track meets.
00:03:22.69 Stan Lemon That's what that's
00:03:26.44 Stan Lemon I did. You know, it's funny. I've seen memes on Instagram. I didn't understand them until this weekend where it's like, you know, moms or dads, right? Who have, it's their kids first season of track, which it's, it's mine. And those who are like on season seven.
00:03:41.35 Stan Lemon Right. And the difference is, is, you know, they bring sunscreen, they bring food, they bring like not, they don't bring just chairs. They bring full on canopies. Yeah. Yeah. I saw of those parents and I thought I, at first I was like, you're ridiculous.
00:03:51.29 Jon yep
00:03:55.17 Stan Lemon Yeah. doesn't Doesn't seem so ridiculous anymore.
00:03:57.06 Jon then you're like do i need to go make friends with them
00:04:00.91 Stan Lemon no you ah So it was an it was an interesting trip. Just to be clear, like I don't think a canopy would have benefited me much. um I actually spent a lot of time on my feet, leaning against the fence, cheering kids on. um I felt that was that was the dad thing to do. And here this is the other interesting thing about this meet.
00:04:17.23 Stan Lemon This is the first one where the weather didn't suck. Right?
00:04:21.07 Jon because you're in Maine now.
00:04:22.78 Stan Lemon Yeah. Well, where here's the thing though. The weather still sucks here, but down down in you know the suburbs of Nashville, it was quite delightful. And I would not have guessed it was going to be that delightful. I brought multiple layers. like I was prepared for the worst from a cold standpoint.
00:04:39.34 Stan Lemon um but track is a lot more pleasant to watch when you can root up route people on from a position of warmth.
00:04:48.62 Jon Sure.
00:04:49.51 Stan Lemon Yeah. So i had I had like a fun time cheering kids on for our team, IndyGenesis, and i i actually, like I enjoyed that the meet. Now I will say there's diminishing returns at about four hours. Okay?
00:05:06.02 Stan Lemon So about four hours, like,
00:05:06.86 Jon you For you or for the people you're cheering on?
00:05:09.45 Stan Lemon um ah Oh, both, both. But, but more so for me, cause you know, yeah. Um, at four hours, man, I was just like, okay, can I go to my car, take a nap? Like what, what can I do?
00:05:20.52 Stan Lemon And I read part of the Iliad, right?
00:05:23.56 Jon Nice.
00:05:24.43 Stan Lemon Yeah. Book two, there's this thing called the catalog of ships. Turns out the catalog of ships can put you to sleep while sitting upright on a bleacher in the sun. Okay.
00:05:35.34 Stan Lemon Yeah. There's,
00:05:36.47 Jon Don't like the Elliot, huh?
00:05:38.03 Stan Lemon No, no, I'm actually loving it, but the catalog of ships was painful, right? I'm i'm i'm really enjoying the Iliad. By the way, think about like things I didn't think I would say when I was in my 20s, right?
00:05:50.28 Stan Lemon Reading the Iliad at my daughter's track meet in Nashville.
00:05:54.01 Jon Yeah. It's little weird.
00:05:55.91 Stan Lemon Yeah, didn't have that on the bucket list. that was that wasn't I didn't check that one off. I mean, I did check it off, but i it wasn't one that I thought I needed to check off. um Yeah. ah No, it was it was good beat. Definitely got too much sun. My face hurt before I left.
00:06:11.15 Stan Lemon um I had some interesting culinary experiences, which we should talk about. i don't know should that pre or post red sauce. What do what do you want to
00:06:21.44 Jon OK. Let's do post, because at least one of them is going to take off the ah twisties.
00:06:27.05 Stan Lemon Oh, okay. All right, bring it. Bring it. So what what did I text you? By the way, are you are you consuming any beverages tonight?
00:06:38.19 Jon um I am not anymore. i did mix myself with Manhattan um earlier.
00:06:44.07 Stan Lemon Okay, spill it. what what ah What were the ingredients for tonight's Manhattan?
00:06:49.33 Jon It was... Wordflirt Bourbon.
00:06:53.90 Stan Lemon Ooh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:06:56.17 Jon What's my brand of sweet vermouth? ah Rouge? Rouge? Something like that? i don't know. Adam bought the sweet vermouth. It's pretty good.
00:07:05.16 Stan Lemon Okay, not the not the like traditional Martini Rosie though.
00:07:05.28 Jon Angusdor Bitters and a cherry. No, I would never buy that.
00:07:10.86 Stan Lemon You would never buy that. You become bougie with your vermouth.
00:07:13.31 Jon I mean, I'd have to... I'd have to be in a pretty desperate place to buy that, I think.
00:07:22.44 Stan Lemon Okay, hold on. When did this happen?
00:07:26.47 Jon Five years ago?
00:07:27.98 Stan Lemon what what was What was the moment? What was the thing that changed your perspective on sweet sweet vermouth?
00:07:36.20 Jon It might have been Negroni's, Stan.
00:07:39.51 Stan Lemon Oh, okay. that That checks out. That checks out. So i I'm not at the fridge. I think that what I have in the fridge is Fratelli Vingensi Vermouth Rossi di Torino right now.
00:07:51.31 Stan Lemon i I'm not going to lie to you. I've got some Martini Rosso floating around. I've got dry vermouth from Martini Rosso for sure. There might still be some sweet vermouth.
00:07:59.80 Jon That I would probably buy. I only use dry vermouth and martinis, though.
00:08:04.30 Stan Lemon So the do you refrigerate your your vermouth?
00:08:08.91 Jon Yes.
00:08:10.47 Stan Lemon Okay, I've never once refrigerated Martini Rossi. It's probably bad, isn't it? It's probably gone funk.
00:08:18.60 Jon Probably.
00:08:19.66 Stan Lemon Yeah. The Fratelli Vincenzi ben it has been in the fridge longer than I care to admit. Like it's probably at least been a year now. That's probably too long for sweet vermouth as well.
00:08:34.03 Jon I mean, I'd taste it, but yeah.
00:08:36.33 Stan Lemon Yeah.
00:08:37.99 Jon Why is it taking you so long to go through sweet vermouth, Stan?
00:08:38.19 Stan Lemon i don't know, man.
00:08:41.45 Stan Lemon I don't make, listen, I love a good Manhattan, but if I'm going to have a Manhattan, I'm going to be sitting with you or with Aaron Fanker or another friend that I at least don't hate.
00:08:55.91 Jon Another friend that you donate. Fair enough.
00:08:57.80 Stan Lemon Yeah. Yeah. You know, so, but, but I like a Manhattan is not something that I would just whip up for kicks and giggles on my own. I don't, I don't know. Like Manhattan doesn't feel like a drink I drink by myself.
00:09:11.15 Stan Lemon You would, you'll, you'll drink by yourself cause you would rather drink by yourself than with people anyhow.
00:09:14.89 Jon And I mean, Manhattan is probably my favorite beverage.
00:09:19.19 Stan Lemon Wait, wait, of all things, like even, even more so than wine.
00:09:22.49 Jon Oh, yeah, for sure.
00:09:23.88 Stan Lemon Okay. Hold up. Hold up. I got a $200 bottle of Burgundy and I got the exact, I got the exact, exact Manhattan you just made.
00:09:28.36 Jon we
00:09:32.52 Stan Lemon What do you choose?
00:09:34.41 Jon I mean, like the $200 bottle of Burgundy might not actually taste good, Stan.
00:09:40.78 Stan Lemon ah But okay, but this is the choice that you're making. You're faced with both.
00:09:46.02 Jon And I choose one. at that point at that point, it would probably ah depend on the vibe.
00:09:48.32 Stan Lemon There's so much hesitation here and I love it. I can't even tell you how much I love it right now.
00:09:56.84 Jon Like, if I'm on a cruise ship with you, I'm probably drinking that bottle of wine.
00:10:03.11 Stan Lemon Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially if I'm buying, right? But now you're now you're on a desert island and it's not Castaway Cay, right? You're on a desert island and your choices are the Manhattan you had tonight, 200 bottle of Burgundy, which by the way, were even on the desert island, you don't know how this bottle of Burgundy tastes, but it is the bottle that you will have for the rest of eternity.
00:10:25.13 Stan Lemon Hey, Robinson Crusoe?
00:10:26.25 Jon that for the rest of too
00:10:27.63 Stan Lemon Yeah.
00:10:27.75 Jon it um i think it's a manhattan sam
00:10:33.64 Stan Lemon I, okay, did not peg.
00:10:35.18 Jon Like, on my deathbed, it's a Manhattan. It's not a...
00:10:38.35 Stan Lemon On your death bed, it's a Manhattan?
00:10:39.66 Jon Right.
00:10:41.51 Stan Lemon Wow, okay, all right. And it's the Manhattan that you made tonight, Woodford Reserve.
00:10:45.07 Jon um Maybe not with those exact ingredients, but, like...
00:10:48.55 Stan Lemon If you say SoCo, I'll slap you. Please tell me that SoCo is not the death bed.
00:10:51.31 Jon That is an exercise in nostalgia.
00:10:56.71 Stan Lemon Okay. and Which I respect, right? like i The whole reason I drink in Manhattan is principally nostalgia. It's someone else's nostalgia, but it's, yeah.
00:11:02.57 Jon I think... I think I like rye more than bourbon in i Manhattan. My go-to is bullet rye, um which is very, very good.
00:11:10.35 Stan Lemon You got to get up your your rye game.
00:11:13.10 Jon Probably.
00:11:13.65 Stan Lemon Well, it's a great mixing rye, but if that's if that's the rye that you're choosing in your deathbed, we have failed you.
00:11:22.12 Jon I mean, it's a cheap bottle of rye that tastes good to stand.
00:11:26.89 Stan Lemon it It's not... I wouldn't actually i wouldn't actually call it um cheap, by the way. Bullitt's not cheap rye. There's definitely cheaper rye, but... I think so. So i don't know if you remember this.
00:11:39.37 Stan Lemon e Aaron Fanker was coming to visit one of the times that like his family got prolifically sick um at my at my home.
00:11:45.98 Jon One of the times. Cam?
00:11:47.12 Stan Lemon Yeah. One of the times because like, you know, that's. Yeah. a fake and an An ill Fanker is just par for the course. Anyhow, he for some reason told me the thing he wanted to try was Whistlepig.
00:12:01.87 Stan Lemon Right. And cause I was like, you know, you pick out the bottle and I'll, I'll get it ordered from, from a total wine and we'll, we'll just roll the whistle pig is a respectable rye. Also for what's worth, if you can find Woodford rye, Woodford rye is fantastic.
00:12:15.86 Stan Lemon It's just hard to find, but I, you gotta, you gotta to up your game. If you want to up your game here in Indianapolis, I'll, I'll do that. I'll do that. But
00:12:26.25 Jon But we have wine to drink, Stan.
00:12:28.17 Stan Lemon we do, we do, but like, what are you gonna have for lunch? Right.
00:12:34.54 Stan Lemon This is the thing. So this is the problem. When you and I get together, right? It's not a matter of like, are we going to have a drink? It's like, how much are we going drink And just to be clear, you and I never, we I don't think we've ever, with except one occasion, two occasions, two occasions, we've never like had drinks to get drunk.
00:12:51.88 Stan Lemon Okay? On two occasions, we've had drinks so that I could get you drunk.
00:12:57.80 Jon Correct.
00:12:57.99 Stan Lemon Right? Right?
00:12:58.70 Jon You were fine.
00:12:58.75 Stan Lemon Because that that's, yeah, yeah.
00:13:00.59 Jon ah
00:13:01.96 Stan Lemon but But like you and I are usually like, let's try this fancy or craft thing and discuss it. Right?
00:13:10.38 Jon Correct.
00:13:11.11 Stan Lemon Yeah, yeah. So the the problem is never like, we're we're never looking to get smashed, but but you know, we may get a little tipsy because we're busy talking about the finer points of whistle pig rye. That's my prediction for the future.
00:13:25.10 Jon The real problem is when I'm ready to go to sleep and Stan wants to open another bottle.
00:13:30.38 Stan Lemon Right, because I'm on second or third wind, right? And the problem is when you come here, like this is this is the the thing. When you come here next time, I have had basically, when was the last time you were here? It's been a year, right?
00:13:43.82 Jon Probably.
00:13:44.75 Stan Lemon Yeah. i've been I have bottles that I have been saving up specifically.
00:13:48.36 Jon No, i was there i was there for Thanksgiving, so half a year.
00:13:51.50 Stan Lemon Thanksgiving, half a year. but But think about what's happened. Like Robert Mondavi happened in that gap, right?
00:13:56.39 Jon Yep.
00:13:57.35 Stan Lemon I have a $100 bottle of a Robert Mondavi that I have not opened that is solely dedicated for letting Jonathan Kohlmeyer have the experience that I had with this bottle, right?
00:14:04.77 Jon Yep.
00:14:07.40 Stan Lemon i think I think when you were here, we did the i poured an inaugural and I poured our frappato, which I'd saved a bottle of each of those for you.
00:14:12.92 Jon Yep.
00:14:14.63 Stan Lemon i have I have actually some, um I have some Brut that's waiting for you.
00:14:19.95 Jon Really?
00:14:20.68 Stan Lemon I have a rosé. have a rosé that I saved because I thought Kohlmeyer would have freaking blast having this rosé.
00:14:28.97 Jon All right.
00:14:29.93 Stan Lemon if If next time you're here, every two hours we open a bottle, I don't think we'll get through all the things that I've airmarked for Kohlmeyer time.
00:14:35.72 Jon Get through everything. And you want to go on three different bike rides, so.
00:14:42.22 Stan Lemon This is the it's the only way.
00:14:43.11 Jon ah
00:14:43.66 Stan Lemon It's the only way. right So if you're here for three days, we go on three bike rides. At that rate, the goal is to burn one bottle of wine per day.
00:14:52.88 Jon OK.
00:14:53.48 Stan Lemon Right?
00:14:55.34 Jon Fair enough. Yeah.
00:14:57.46 Stan Lemon Gosh, can you imagine how this, like the robots are going to read the transcript of this and think we're alcoholics.
00:14:57.80 Jon yeah
00:15:02.07 Stan Lemon The reality is people, we just love, we love craftsmanship.
00:15:04.17 Jon really aren't.
00:15:05.72 Stan Lemon It's always been about craftsmanship.
00:15:05.80 Jon That is true.
00:15:06.88 Stan Lemon Even going back to the milkshake reviews, it was about craftsmanship.
00:15:10.95 Jon Which we should bring back at some point.
00:15:12.97 Stan Lemon Oh, I don't know that my waistline can handle that.
00:15:14.86 Jon I mean, at least one.
00:15:17.16 Stan Lemon At least one. Yeah. so for just
00:15:18.70 Jon Actually, when you were in Nashville, you should have tried the greatest milkshake I've ever had. Right.
00:15:22.99 Stan Lemon So I need to clarify. I was in Lebanon. I wasn't actually in Nashville. And if you go look at the map, Lebanon is like lebanon is like Elgin is to Chicago, right?
00:15:32.73 Jon Right.
00:15:33.35 Stan Lemon So the people in Elgin, they say they're from Chicago. They don't mean it. right And they're they're fundamentally different. like In Elgin, they put ketchup on their hot dogs. There's nothing Chicago about Elgin except for the fact that it's the end of a metro line.
00:15:46.63 Stan Lemon right I'm going to offend somebody, but it's okay.
00:15:49.13 Jon ah
00:15:51.50 Stan Lemon I meant it.
00:15:51.59 Jon My uncle lives in Elgin.
00:15:53.31 Stan Lemon there's nothing like To be clear, apart from the ketchup thing, you can yes, you can.
00:15:54.51 Jon you can You can get a good hot dog in Elgin, too.
00:15:58.23 Stan Lemon And to be to be clear, nothing wrong with Elgin. It's just not Chicago. But people from Elgin say they're from Chicago.
00:16:05.19 Jon Right.
00:16:05.29 Stan Lemon Okay. And the weird thing about Elgin, if you look at the map, right? So, so you get a little closer to the city and you're like Wheaton and Naperville. Those people don't say they're from Chicago. They say they're from Wheaton and Naperville.
00:16:15.17 Jon Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:15.72 Stan Lemon Right. And people know that, or like they say they're from Schaumburg, right? Or, you know, whatever, like they pick a city and cause there's this weird, there's this weird ring outside of Chicago where people say they're, they're
00:16:25.16 Jon Who are close enough to to Chicago that people want to realize they don't want to be from Chicago.
00:16:29.13 Stan Lemon Exactly. it's It's a weird thing, but then you get a little further out and suddenly like Elgin and Elburn and even sometimes in Joliet, like the only people, the only reason people say they're from Joliet is because someone watched the Blues Brothers.
00:16:41.48 Stan Lemon You know, like that's that's all it is.
00:16:42.84 Jon enough.
00:16:42.87 Stan Lemon or Or people from Aurora. People from Aurora, they want to say that they're from Chicago, but it always goes back to Wayne's World. Right.
00:16:51.72 Jon Fair enough.
00:16:52.22 Stan Lemon This is the thing. Now where I'm from, it's, it's literally, it's quite literally called West Chicago. That's the name of the town is 30 miles West. It's the most confusing thing ever. Because if I say I'm from West Chicago, it was all the West side. Like, no, no, no, no. I'm a suburb West Chicago. So now what I do today is I say, I say to folks, like I'm, I'm from this little town that's tucked in between Naperville and Wheaton.
00:17:13.20 Stan Lemon Right. Which, which is like, it's the dumbest way to identify where I'm from.
00:17:17.52 Jon Correct.
00:17:20.27 Stan Lemon I don't know, John.
00:17:20.71 Jon To be fair, the majority of people who you're telling us to probably don't actually have any idea of what Chicago is like or where things are located, so i wouldn't stress about it.
00:17:20.99 Stan Lemon it's
00:17:30.63 Stan Lemon No, they don't.
00:17:31.23 Jon Okay.
00:17:31.27 Stan Lemon They don't. They don't. And this this is as good a transition into any, into the red sauce thing. But first, just before before we go there, um I am drinking a Les Pepites.
00:17:42.55
Stan Lemon
It's a Malbec-Shrab blend, which don't, have you been seeing these? These are popping up everywhere. Malbec and Schraub blends.
00:17:58.61 Jon I believe that.
00:17:58.63 Stan Lemon It works exceptionally well. Because you get a little bit like spiciness from the Malbec, but you get the like subtle, sweet, but very fruit forward notes of the Shirah, right?
00:18:07.50 Jon Yep.
00:18:08.31 Stan Lemon So this, it's, that's absolutely what it is Like if I had, most of the people in my life, except you don't care about wine, I would get a Malbec Shirah blend
00:18:08.52 Jon Sounds like a crowd-pleasing wine stand.
00:18:18.39 Jon Mrs. Lemon cares about wine in a different way.
00:18:21.26 Stan Lemon In a very different way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She popped the bottle a little bit. Am I going to like this one? Yeah, probably, dear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's called Les Pepitas by H.J. Fabre.
00:18:36.16 Stan Lemon Fabre. Like kind of like the, um ah i think I think when we were reading Fahrenheit 451, we say Faber. kind of like that character. That's what I thought of when I opened this bottle. But H.J. Faber. fabric Faber? Faber? We're going to Faber. So the the description says a fruit blend, excuse me, a fruit-driven blend with exquisite aromas of spices, red berries, and licorice. I don't get any licorice, just to be clear. It's well-structured and balanced with a very elegant finish. Those parts are true.
00:19:03.72 Stan Lemon So, yeah. That's delightful.
00:19:08.46 Jon Looks like a deep red color through the camera.
00:19:08.88 Stan Lemon That's delightful. it It's actually very deep red. Yeah. I don't have a piece of white paper. Those I would show you. But um yeah, good color. You know, i didn't actually notice. It's it's ah it's not very leggy.
00:19:22.21 Stan Lemon It's got a much more dry mouth feel than I would have expected considering how fruit forward it is. So there you go
00:19:30.38 Jon Nice.
00:19:31.53 Stan Lemon All right Red sauce.
00:19:32.93 Jon Red sauce.
00:19:33.96 Stan Lemon So I went to dinner with my beloved And I did the thing that i'll never do, John. I took her out for pizza.
00:19:41.93 Jon Yeah, always a gamble.
00:19:44.39 Stan Lemon Always a gamble. Except I'd been here once before with Evelyn. I took Evelyn. We had like a, uh, daddy daughter night. It was just her and I, it's this place called shindig S H I N space D I G. Um, just like, just like it sounds shindig. Right. So it's part of this Cunningham restaurant group here in Indianapolis. Uh, Mrs. Luma and I have been to a bunch of their restaurants and, uh, there, there's several of them that we like a lot.
00:20:09.48 Stan Lemon And, uh, They have what I would call gourmet. This feels like the wrong word, but gourmet pizza.
00:20:17.29 Jon Yep.
00:20:17.51 Stan Lemon So like they've got a really fantastic crust and then they just throw a bunch of crap on it.
00:20:21.85 Jon Hipster pizzas.
00:20:23.27 Stan Lemon Yeah, yeah, it's probably hipster pizza. It's probably hipster pizza. um Not that there's anything wrong with that. But the kicker here is if you look at the options on the menu, they're all over the place, right?
00:20:35.63 Stan Lemon The one that I got with Evelyn, i think it was called like the bee's knees. It had a couple of different meats and then it had hot honey drizzled over top.
00:20:41.58 Jon Nice.
00:20:42.79 Stan Lemon Hot honey on a pizza is freaking phenomenal. I bought a bottle of hot honey because of this.
00:20:48.01 Jon Nice.
00:20:48.52 Stan Lemon Okay, so game on. It's going to happen at some point here at the Lemon House. um Our favorite Cunningham restaurant is called The Livery. And you've you've not been there because you it's been six months since you've been here.
00:21:01.80 Stan Lemon But
00:21:01.90 Jon Well, and for the past i don't know how many times I've been there, you cook for me, and we haven't gone out.
00:21:10.44 Stan Lemon We got to mix it up, man. We got come more frequently. It's all good. It's all good. We'll make it happen. um So this pizza we had tonight was ah was a joint venture with the livery.
00:21:21.04 Stan Lemon The livery makes really good tinga de pollo. um They've got kind of like a Spanish fusion flavor thing going on at the livery. It's really good. and I like it. But... What going with this is we got into discussing red sauce and i made a comment to my wife that I thought she would appreciate.
00:21:39.15 Stan Lemon Right?
00:21:39.16 Jon Okay.
00:21:40.52 Stan Lemon So you remember I went last summer?
00:21:44.20 Jon To Italy?
00:21:45.29 Stan Lemon Yes. Yeah.
00:21:46.38 Jon Yeah, yeah.
00:21:46.73 Stan Lemon And do you remember I had pizza?
00:21:49.80 Jon Which you did not like.
00:21:51.31 Stan Lemon I did. Well, I, like it was different. Do you remember what I told you about the sauce in Italy?
00:21:59.77 Jon I don't.
00:22:00.78 Stan Lemon It was sweet.
00:22:00.87 Jon Too sweet?
00:22:01.58 Stan Lemon It was sweet and it was thin.
00:22:01.96 Jon Yeah.
00:22:04.33 Stan Lemon Right? And so it was just like, it wasn't quite pureed enough to be ketchup, but it was close. All right.
00:22:11.72 Jon okay
00:22:12.75 Stan Lemon Now, just to be clear to the Italian people whom I love, I i didn't dislike your pizza. I just don't think it was pizza. Like that was not pizza sauce. Right?
00:22:23.59 Stan Lemon All right. um You, you basically found a bottle of ketchup. You let it thin and maybe like re-congeal as it traveled the ocean and you put it on your pizzas.
00:22:36.52 Stan Lemon And there's nothing wrong with that because ketchup, ketchup on the, in the right vessel is a beautiful thing, right? Not on hot dogs, but, but on the right thing, it's a beautiful thing. Wait,
00:22:46.73 Jon Bad French fries. yeah
00:22:49.23 Stan Lemon wait, wait. You don't like it on French fries?
00:22:51.11 Jon um I don't love ketchup. The few times I will eat ketchup are on bad French fries.
00:22:57.19 Stan Lemon On bad French fries. I gotcha. I gotcha. Okay. um I will just say this. Ketchup can fix many French fries, even French fries from In-N-Out Burger, but that's for later.
00:23:11.24 Jon which you didn't order the correct way but
00:23:13.39 Stan Lemon Because I didn't know, man. Like, I don't think you, you talked about animal style so much that I had no idea that I had to order them well done. We'll come we'll come to um So, i said what I said to Mrs. Lemon though is that what I learned there is that I don't i don't like Italian pizza sauce.
00:23:31.56 Stan Lemon I like Chicago pizza sauce.
00:23:34.03 Jon Correct.
00:23:34.31 Stan Lemon And i've I've come to terms with that because the the recipe, the sauce that I make, right? It's a little thicker. It's much more herbal. it's got It's got stronger. It's not sweet at all.
00:23:44.63 Stan Lemon Like I actually put a little bit of sugar because when you put sugar inside of tomato, like tomato puree, it actually cuts some of the sweetness away. it's It makes no sense, but that's absolutely what it does.
00:23:55.53 Jon ah It cuts the acid, is what it says, so it's not as not as bright.
00:23:57.13 Stan Lemon cu Cuts the acid. Yeah, exactly. Not as bright. that's That's a good, yeah. So, my pizza sauce is freaking phenomenal. Agree?
00:24:07.31 Jon I agree.
00:24:08.14 Stan Lemon Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. ah We got to reflect...
00:24:10.53 Jon I've even had it in the last six months. so
00:24:13.45 Stan Lemon ah ah We got to talking about... how we came to that sauce. So first of all, I found a Blue Apron recipe, I modified it, it was a calzone recipe. I love the red sauce. I was like, this is the sauce that i've been I've been dreaming of. And it had been about three and a half years when I had this sauce, since the last time I had a sauce, a pizza sauce that I liked.
00:24:36.81 Stan Lemon And that pizza sauce I'd gotten in a jar at a Shop and Save in Pennsylvania.
00:24:37.00 Jon and
00:24:41.45 Stan Lemon Okay. And they stopped distributing it. Like we we would, we'd grab it all the time by multiple jars. It was all we used. And then suddenly it was gone and it really messed with me.
00:24:56.23 Stan Lemon I actually think that the red sauce that we discovered, which by the way is on stanleman.com in case you're wondering, um is what reinvigorated my pizza like making stuff. and like ah that's i got back into making i got into making pizza, I should say, not back into it, but I got ah into making pizza because I found the sauce that worked for me.
00:25:15.20 Jon Yep.
00:25:15.79 Stan Lemon And my realization tonight was that's a Chicago sauce. There's nothing wrong with that. But I like, again, I believe Chicago invented pizzas, so it's fine.
00:25:26.95 Stan Lemon But, but I love my red sauce. It's very near and dear to my heart. That was, that was one of the things i was reflecting on tonight. I got like a little emotional about it. Um,
00:25:34.67 Jon I remember when you had this Blue Apron recipe, which I think you sent to me and I made at least one time. um But that definitely unlocked a red sauce game for me as well.
00:25:46.07 Stan Lemon Oh, it's so fantastic. And it's it's a versatile red sauce. We use it actually when we make spaghetti. um I've got a gnocchi and vegetables thing. Gnocchi, excuse me, gnocchi.
00:25:56.30 Stan Lemon Gnocchi and vegetables.
00:25:56.30 Jon There you go. You're going get yelled up by the twisties again.
00:25:58.28 Stan Lemon Yeah, gnocchi. Gnocchi, vegetables, and then we'll do like some kielbasa. They're all mixed in. And we'll do we'll do the red sauce in there. That red sauce, like I throw it on everything now. Um, it's, it's solid. I love it.
00:26:11.40 Stan Lemon But again, i it doesn't gel with the sauce that identified over, you know, on the peninsula as it were. And, um, I've just come to terms with that Chicago style sauce.
00:26:24.00 Stan Lemon Right. And, I, I really,
00:26:26.09 Jon I wonder if you go to a certain part of Italy, if that changes and you see the influences there.
00:26:32.01 Stan Lemon i wonder, cause here's, here's the other thing that I do do. i Do you remember you remember the scene from The Godfather with the sauce when they're making the red sauce?
00:26:39.02 Jon Yeah. You said that that you believe that this is what he was talking about.
00:26:39.88 Stan Lemon Yeah. I do. i think like when i When he makes that sauce, right he talks about using the razor blade to thinly cut the the garlic. it's just it's just it's a It's a poetic scene. right like i i There are many points in that movie where I want to weep. That's the one where I actually weep.
00:27:03.11 Stan Lemon right
00:27:05.00 Jon Well, in the grand scheme of things, it becomes even better considering he's trying to teach Michael how to make a sauce.
00:27:10.73 Stan Lemon Yeah, and it's it's it's formational for him, right? Like this is part of him becoming a Don is learn how to make red sauce because you can feed the family, right?
00:27:16.64 Jon No.
00:27:22.06 Stan Lemon Whether it's like your little biological family or the family, right?
00:27:22.37 Jon Yep.
00:27:25.51 Jon The family.
00:27:26.63 Stan Lemon Ah, so good, John. Anyhow, that was my revelation today because Sarah said to me, like this this says that there's red sauce on the pizza, but I don't believe it. And I was like, there is, but it's it's so minuscule. And it's like, there's no flavor to it. Like the the sauce is not a defining characteristic of this pizza.
00:27:46.95 Stan Lemon Your sauce has to be good enough that you could make a pie with sauce, cheese, maybe a little basil on top, And it's going to be fantastic.
00:27:58.76 Stan Lemon Like the best pizza you've ever had should have just pie, sauce, cheese.
00:28:08.83 Stan Lemon There you go. Wisdom from the lemon. that's That's it tonight.
00:28:12.39 Jon I think I agree.
00:28:15.75 Stan Lemon It warms my heart. Warms my heart. All right.
00:28:18.57 Jon And you know what? You sent these pictures. I see that you ate some vegetables with a lot of non-vegetable things on top of them. um And Mrs. Lemon looks very, very happy to be out to eat with you. So wins all around.
00:28:29.61 Stan Lemon we we had We had a good time. Yeah, yeah. I think you're probably seeing the salad.
00:28:35.40 Jon Yeah.
00:28:36.60 Stan Lemon here's Here's what I like about this place. So um ah you Americans talk about putting pepperoni in your pizza, right?
00:28:42.86 Jon Yep.
00:28:43.11 Stan Lemon um In Italy, they do soppressata. Soppressata is a magical thing because it's like it's like a merging of salami and pepperoni with some heat. it's it's It's got more fat in it than pepperoni, but it's got that like depth of salami with some spices.
00:29:00.23 Stan Lemon Soppressata magical, right? So this salad, it was so funny. They're like, eh, it's romaine. And so, passada and mozzarella. And oh, there's some chickpeas there too, for reasons that we don't understand. And then, um, uh, oh my gosh, what's the, I should know what the other vegetable is.
00:29:16.71 Jon Tomatoes.
00:29:17.80 Stan Lemon No, yeah, there were tomatoes, but no, yeah everybody puts tomatoes on everything. It's, um, it's a bitter, bitter like thing. Why can't I remember what this is?
00:29:28.42 Jon arugula i don't see any arugula but
00:29:29.61 Stan Lemon No, not arugula. Although arugula is bitter. That's that's um this's correctly identified in terms of flavor profiles, John. I'm going to this up because it's going to drive nuts. Wings, pizza, are not wings.
00:29:43.27 Stan Lemon Drive-thru, build your own pizza, sweets, not pizza.
00:29:48.59 Stan Lemon Supposedly there are salads on this menu. Oh, here we go. Here we go Here we go. um House salad. Pickled onion, scallion, sunflower seed. There was no sunflower seed on this at all.
00:30:04.75 Stan Lemon No. No, this is not right. This is not what I had.
00:30:08.30 Jon They made up a salad just for you.
00:30:08.66 Stan Lemon Oh, Big's chopped salad.
00:30:09.69 Jon Okay.
00:30:09.80 Stan Lemon I'm sorry. Endive. It was endive. When was last time you endive?
00:30:14.60 Jon I have no idea.
00:30:16.11 Stan Lemon Yeah, yeah. and I'm to be honest you. Endive, I like the flavor, but this endive had no depth to it. The Soprasada made the dish.
00:30:24.14 Jon The dressing looks good. Some kind of vinaigrette.
00:30:27.53 Stan Lemon It was mostly olive oil, to be honest with you. There was vinaigrette somewhere in there, I guess, but it was mostly olive oil. Yeah, I spilled most of it, too. But...
00:30:36.70 Jon All right.
00:30:36.81 Stan Lemon Yeah, good little joint. If you're in Indianapolis, highly recommend for a piece of, would you call it hipster pizza?
00:30:44.75 Jon Ipster pizza. Sure.
00:30:45.79 Stan Lemon Hipster pizza, for slice of hipster pizza and maybe ah salad? I don't know. They got good draft beer too.
00:30:56.68 Stan Lemon I couldn't talk Mrs. Lemon into the wine tonight.
00:31:00.23 Jon Because there was beer.
00:31:00.55 Stan Lemon So, well, there was beer, but so the the only thing they had by the bottle was Segura Vidas Cava Rose from Spain. So a rose. It was $15 a bottle, which is in and of itself a little sus.
00:31:15.82 Jon Yeah.
00:31:16.68 Stan Lemon Okay. But that was thing they had by the bottle. Then they, by the glass, they had some Pinot from California, a Sangiovese from Italy, which probably would have been fantastic. And then a Cab from California. So, you know, and like, i don't know, you don't, you don't go to a place like this looking for wine, right? You want to get three Floyd's beer on draft. That's what you want. That's what I got. They, oh, here's the thing that blew my mind though.
00:31:38.47 Stan Lemon They had Oberon on draft.
00:31:40.43 Jon Really? It's little early, isn't it?
00:31:41.45 Stan Lemon It seems early, doesn't it Yeah, it's what saying. ah So wait, okay. hit Because, oh, really?
00:31:47.88 Jon Anna would get that. Yeah.
00:31:51.98 Stan Lemon Interesting. So um this is the thing I wanted to ask you. When is the first day that you should be able to get Oberon on drafts?
00:32:03.79 Jon First day on draft? Probably the Friday of Memorial Day weekend.
00:32:10.07 Stan Lemon I'll accept it. I think that's a good answer. i was to say June 1st, but that's close enough. Yeah. I don't know why Oberon to me is a June beer.
00:32:14.51 Jon Well, like... Memorial Day is the unofficial kickoff of summer.
00:32:21.64 Stan Lemon It is, but I, I don't, I don't know what it is, man. Something about Oberon screams June for the, for the dear listener. Why don't you describe what Oberon is?
00:32:31.79 Jon um A summery beer that tastes delicious. It's got some citrusy notes. It's orange.
00:32:37.91 Stan Lemon sty notes It's very fresh.
00:32:38.59 Jon It's got an orange label.
00:32:40.46 Stan Lemon Orange label. Yeah.
00:32:41.13 Jon Great after mowing the lawn.
00:32:41.34 Stan Lemon Beautiful art. it is It is the perfect lawn mowing beer.
00:32:49.42 Stan Lemon I mean, oh, you disagree?
00:32:49.52 Jon Okay. I don't know. I think that that is not concluded in my mind yet because I think there are many a farmhouse ale that are also great after mowing lawn.
00:33:03.43 Stan Lemon So any type of saison, farmhouse sale, as you Americans would call it, ah is is ah is summer appropriate. Totally. i I expected you to tell me something like, oh, no, I'm going to do lining kugels.
00:33:19.50 Jon I mean, that would be on Wisconsin brand.
00:33:21.87 Stan Lemon Yeah, yeah.
00:33:22.19 Jon But Leidenkugel is kind of hit or miss, depending on what kind you get.
00:33:26.03 Stan Lemon Truth, truth. um I love Oberon. I think Oberon is actually technically a wheat beer. I think i think it's a bison. Yeah.
00:33:36.39 Stan Lemon Very bright, very fresh. It's all that those citrus notes. um And for whatever reason, seeing it makes me think of summer.
00:33:46.42 Jon Well, it's got us such a happy sun on it.
00:33:48.78 Stan Lemon It does. It does. And I think just because when it comes out, I don't i love Bell's. I love Bell's Brewery.
00:33:54.73 Jon And you know it's called it's called Oberon.
00:33:54.92 Stan Lemon Three Floyd's.
00:33:56.97 Jon That play is not on our reading list this year. But it could be.
00:34:01.03 Stan Lemon It could be John, because you're ahead.
00:34:02.86 Jon i am ahead. I've got two months here before I'm supposed to start the next.
00:34:07.69 Stan Lemon We should talk about that too. But i before we get there, let's talk about the In-N-Out controversy.
00:34:12.07 Jon Yes. The U went to an In-N-Out burger in Indiana, which I didn't know.
00:34:15.79 Stan Lemon No, no, no. Tennessee.
00:34:16.97 Jon Oh, in Tennessee. Which I didn't know that they were in Tennessee. But
00:34:21.96 Stan Lemon Fun fact, it is their 10th state as they expand eastward.
00:34:26.66 Jon Okay.
00:34:28.73 Stan Lemon There's a big plaque.
00:34:28.94 Jon I feel like some of these things, as they continue to expand where they used to be very regionally located, um it kind of loses the allure.
00:34:39.08 Stan Lemon Okay. You said some of these things. What other things come to mind?
00:34:42.25 Jon Some of these things.
00:34:45.45 Jon um
00:34:50.08 Jon Buc-ee's.
00:34:51.88 Stan Lemon Oh, oh, hot take. actually went to a Buc-ee's on this trip too. Explain. You think Buc-ee's is fundamentally different if it's not in Texas. That's what you're saying.
00:35:02.03 Jon I do, and I think it's probably mostly the clientele. Like, it's just tourists versus, you know, taxes and Texans and tourists.
00:35:12.41 Stan Lemon That's an interesting distinction because in Texas, it's absolutely just like, Bucky's is just a thing, right?
00:35:17.86 Jon Right.
00:35:18.24 Stan Lemon it's It's not a thing you go out of your way to. It's like, I need gas, so going to go to Bucky's. And oh, by the way, I'm going to buy three pounds of fantastic beef jerky while I'm there and a bag of nuggets. And since it's lunchtime, I'll get a you know a pork sandwich or brisket sandwich.
00:35:32.51 Stan Lemon Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. hadn't considered it today. I will say this. So the one the one that I've been to probably the most times in my life, to be honest with you, I've been to them in Texas. It's it's an experience to behold.
00:35:45.19 Stan Lemon the The one I've been to the most, though, is this one in Tennessee on I-65 as you're heading south. Supposedly, Indianapolis is going get Buc-ee's soon in the Greenwood area, um soon being like the next two to three years.
00:35:57.35 Jon And if there's a Buc-ee's every 100 miles, like...
00:36:00.95 Stan Lemon Dude, they start advertising for this sucker all the way up in Chicago.
00:36:04.62
Jon
00:36:05.55 Stan Lemon This is like, oh no what the i don't know what the the um marketing geniuses at Bucky's have figured out. But if you're driving on 65, even from my house, by the time I get to Bucky's, I have seen no less than 10 billboards.
00:36:22.27 Jon Right.
00:36:22.31 Stan Lemon I don't know what those suckers cost, but all it is is a logo of Bucky, right? And the number of miles and sometimes a quippy phrase.
00:36:28.12 Jon My own's left. Right.
00:36:30.41 Stan Lemon And it works. It's very effective.
00:36:33.71 Jon And ah do you remember what any other billboards were for were for on the Strip?
00:36:42.89 Stan Lemon No.
00:36:44.08 Jon Right.
00:36:44.84 Stan Lemon Yeah. and All right. Like that's the thing. I don't know. I'm sure there was a Chick-fil-A. There's the head to bed, a McDonald's one, probably a pilot or loves, but I couldn't tell you, I couldn't tell you what I remember.
00:36:56.90 Stan Lemon Like at one point scene, like 217 miles, like it was a, it was a weird number.
00:37:03.33 Jon Right.
00:37:04.75 Stan Lemon Right. But I can see the, I can actually see the billboard.
00:37:10.35 Jon That is some good branding.
00:37:12.04 Stan Lemon It is some good branding. um It will be interesting to see if they lose their, ah I don't know, what would you call that? there
00:37:23.53 Stan Lemon If it if a waters down, I don't know how to describe what would happen.
00:37:28.88 Jon Supply and demand, it's all ah economics.
00:37:29.15 Stan Lemon But,
00:37:31.46 Stan Lemon Yeah, yeah, I don't know. But like losing the authenticity, maybe that's that's what I'm going for, the authenticity of the brand as it moves outside of Texas.
00:37:37.94 Jon Yeah.
00:37:39.41 Stan Lemon Is that possible? And does it like does that matter? Because in supply and demand, like it doesn't matter, right?
00:37:43.85 Jon What do you think about Portillo's? Do you think this has kind of happened with Portillo's the farther you get away from Chicago?
00:37:46.54 Stan Lemon ah Yes, I do. I do. Although what's wild about Portillo's is like if you go to the one in Maryville here in Indiana, um which is the one in Indiana closest to Chicago, Chicagoland area,
00:37:59.79 Jon Mm-hmm.
00:38:01.07 Stan Lemon um It's the same vibe, man, in terms of like the way they work the drive-through and the the way they work the line.
00:38:11.53 Stan Lemon The thing that's different is the people behind the counter don't talk to you like a Chicagoan. It's to...
00:38:17.91 Jon There you go.
00:38:18.86 Stan Lemon and and and that's it's weird to
00:38:24.27 Stan Lemon I don't know. it's It's weird to articulate. The other thing is at least the one here in Indianapolis. um Actually, we maybe we have two. We have two because we got one on the north side and one on the west side. i'm thinking of the one on the west side. They like walk around the dining room and come and check on you like it's Chick-fil-A or something.
00:38:40.41 Jon Huh.
00:38:41.07 Stan Lemon Yeah, like that's not, that's nobody in Chicago is going to check on how your meal is, right?
00:38:42.19 Jon That's not Chicago. Right.
00:38:45.25 Stan Lemon They hand it to you in a bag and they wish you good luck. And if you need to talk to them again, it's to go and get your drink refilled. What you have to go up to, by the way, if God help me, if someone at Portillo's walks out to my table and asks me if I need a refill.
00:39:01.65 Jon Something's wrong. Yeah.
00:39:02.67 Stan Lemon Yeah, it's just like it's the authenticity of it.
00:39:04.46 Jon So like even in Milwaukee, I've had a less than stellar experience at Portillo's. um Like everything from like the service was off to it took forever. And it like, this is not what Portillo's was built on.
00:39:19.91 Stan Lemon I Portillo's is the NASCAR of fast food. Right.
00:39:24.07 Jon Right.
00:39:24.84 Stan Lemon And it's ah everything tastes good. It's messy. It's greasy. Nobody's counting calories. One of the worst things that ever happened for Portillo's was they introduced salads. Right.
00:39:36.42 Stan Lemon If you want a salad, it's called gardenera. right yeah or Or when you're ordering ah an Italian beef, you just say hots. You want your salad, you say hots. that They'll put the gardenera on the Italian beef and there's your freaking salad. You want vegetables?
00:39:50.07 Stan Lemon They'll come into your pickle.
00:39:52.76 Jon Yeah, as it should be.
00:39:53.47 Stan Lemon I'm with you. you here's Here's the thing. so I would imagine what you experienced is... Folks who did not grow up understanding the machine, which is Portillo's, right?
00:40:05.83 Stan Lemon Which I think is what I'm saying about Merrillville, right?
00:40:05.91 Jon Yep.
00:40:08.23 Stan Lemon Like they're not Chicagoans and there's something about Chicagoans delivering an Italian beef to you that makes the difference, you know?
00:40:21.07 Jon I think that there's more research that needs to be done. um
00:40:23.91 Stan Lemon Yeah, for sure. For sure.
00:40:24.84 Jon But
00:40:27.40 Stan Lemon Okay, if if it's just chicago and if it's a Chicagoan behind the counter that defines Portillo's, you said with Buc-ee's, it's the clientele.
00:40:28.46 Jon but I don't disagree right now.
00:40:36.30 Jon Yeah.
00:40:37.48 Stan Lemon i think that's I think that's right. I think it's the people that are in it because when I was at Buc-ee's this last time, it's freaking elbow to elbow and people are being rude and like just just shoving around to get to things.
00:40:51.41 Stan Lemon That's not Buc-ee's in Texas.
00:40:52.17 Jon That doesn't happen, Texas. No.
00:40:55.28 Stan Lemon I've been to five-star restaurants that are less polite than freaking Bucky's in Texas.
00:41:01.34 Jon No. Yep.
00:41:02.19 Stan Lemon You know? You know what mean? Like, i don't know. It's it's weird. And there's a pride, too. There's a pride that, like, this is, oh, John, maybe there's a parallel here.
00:41:13.35 Stan Lemon So in Chicago, people from Chicago are notoriously prideful about their city, right? That just, like, it comes off you. radiates off of you.
00:41:24.81 Stan Lemon in a Buc-ee's, it's the Texans. They're so proud of being in Texas that it radiates off of them.
00:41:34.38 Jon And we don't see this in Culver's because Wisconsinites aren't like that.
00:41:39.93 Stan Lemon No, no, they're not. They just make it. They just make a darn good burger is what it amounts to. If, um,
00:41:44.23 Jon i mean, they're a little crazy about their football team, but...
00:41:46.83 Stan Lemon They are, there yeah. if um If my beloved professor, Mr. Reed, Professor Reed, is listening, so this this is equivalent to Dante's passion for Florence. That's a Chicagoan's passion for the Italian beef or a Texan's passion for being inside of a Buc-ee's.
00:42:08.59 Stan Lemon and And you take those institutions, Portillo's Buc-ee's, and you take the people that define them out of them, And the institution is just, all this is, is capitalism.
00:42:19.42 Jon Right. It's like that $200 bottle of Burgundy that you're drinking all one.
00:42:20.30 Stan Lemon You know? Now there's anything wrong with capitalism. I like money.
00:42:30.03 Stan Lemon all alone on a desert island for the rest of your life. You don't even know if it's a good bottle, but you're drinking alone. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:36.39 Jon ah
00:42:37.47 Stan Lemon So I'm hoping Rick is still hanging in here for this. So I imagine then like you walking into a Buc-ee's and not getting the Texas experience or me walking into Portillo's or even you walking into Portillo's not getting the Chicago experience. It has to be like after Dante's exile from Florence.
00:42:59.18 Jon too far um anyway we were talking about in and out uh the first time i had in now it was in vegas the second time was in orange county um so
00:43:00.47 Stan Lemon Too far too far. Okay. All right.
00:43:10.03 Stan Lemon I think I was physically with you for both and I didn't go to either.
00:43:14.19 Jon well youp you were not with me for orange county because that happened uh most recently at disneyland so
00:43:20.71 Stan Lemon oh so that went Okay. All right. I was thinking Orange County. I was thinking Irvine. Yeah. Okay. I gotcha. But I was, i was with you in Vegas and I didn't go and I don't know why I didn't go.
00:43:29.51 Jon So I think those were the years where you would like go to bed early.
00:43:33.58 Stan Lemon ah
00:43:35.43 Jon Because I'm pretty sure it was like 1 a.m. when we ah made that run. so
00:43:40.81 Stan Lemon So this would have been, would have been over 10 years ago at this point.
00:43:44.36 Jon For sure.
00:43:45.13 Stan Lemon Yeah, maybe 12, 13. Why was I going to bed early?
00:43:50.45 Jon I don't know, man.
00:43:52.68 Stan Lemon i definitely should have been taking a multivitamin.
00:43:55.66 Jon You got grumpier um as you had kids and then spent more time away from the kids.
00:44:01.60 Stan Lemon That's true. That's true. I definitely, as we were traveling for work, begrudged being away from home without a doubt. I just don't, I don't remember.
00:44:10.19 Jon Which you still do, but now you have more control over
00:44:10.88 Stan Lemon Yeah, I still very much do. You asked me to travel. Listen, if if you're listening to this podcast, you're like, oh, that lemon guy seems like the kind of guy that i you know I want working for me.
00:44:21.77 Stan Lemon Just know this. If you take me away from my family, I will hate you.
00:44:29.29 Stan Lemon I cannot wait to see what the robots come up with hashtags for this episode.
00:44:33.82 Jon going to be all about food, probably, and Dante.
00:44:37.58 Stan Lemon The Dante stuff will stick out, right?
00:44:37.64 Jon But we
00:44:39.22 Stan Lemon we i made like two references to Dante and it'll pop.
00:44:43.07 Jon keep circling around this. You went to In-N-Out when you escaped the sun and bleachers at the track meet. What did you order, Stan? Yeah.
00:44:52.46 Stan Lemon Hold up, hold up, hold back up, back up. So you've had it before. Right? You said the first time you had it, you said it was amazing.
00:45:00.51 Jon I did.
00:45:01.26 Stan Lemon Yeah. You were with your father-in-law who loves food as much as he loves the Lord God himself.
00:45:03.81 Jon Yep.
00:45:08.59 Jon True.
00:45:09.35 Stan Lemon Okay? And he also said it was amazing. i I like hamburgers. You and I have talked a lot about hamburgers.
00:45:18.28 Jon We have. There's probably a whole episode about them.
00:45:20.43 Stan Lemon There has to be at least one episode. up But i i this has been, for me at least, this has been a gap in the my repertoire and the things I've i've tried. right
00:45:31.05 Jon Yep.
00:45:32.23 Stan Lemon So I felt like I had to close the gap because there was one right there. I'm going to be honest with you. I've got a trip coming up to l LA and I had been thinking to myself, like how do I leave Disneyland long enough just to try an In-N-Out burger so I can check it off the list?
00:45:47.21 Jon Well, I think there's one pretty darn close to Disneyland.
00:45:51.37 Stan Lemon But the question remains, would that have been a good use of my time at Disneyland?
00:45:56.82 Jon Hmm.
00:45:58.54 Stan Lemon Right?
00:45:58.76 Jon How many days are you going to be there
00:46:00.72 Stan Lemon I'm going to be there three nights, four days. this This was the question that haunted me as my son was excuse me as my skin was cooking in the sun.
00:46:11.47 Jon there?
00:46:13.23 Stan Lemon For whatever reason, Lebanon, Tennessee, which is just east of Nashville, has an In-N-Out Burger. I don't know why. i don't know what's going on in Lebanon, but it does.
00:46:22.99 Jon They don't have a Hattie B's.
00:46:23.57 Stan Lemon They don't have the HAD-Bs.
00:46:24.49 Jon Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:28.07 Stan Lemon And the crazy thing about this is it's like less than a mile from the high school that I was at, right? Like the only thing between me and In-N-Out Burger was a Dollar General.
00:46:39.98 Stan Lemon So why wouldn't I, Jonathan? That's what I kept asking myself. Why wouldn't I go? so as I pulled up, I texted you and I said, there's a line outside the building.
00:46:51.43 Stan Lemon I decided I wasn't going to drive through. I was going to go inside. Cause I like, I feel like part of this in my mind was the experience of going inside,
00:46:59.82 Jon Sure.
00:47:01.83 Stan Lemon but there's a line outside the building. And I texted you.
00:47:03.50 Jon Yep.
00:47:04.18 Stan Lemon I said, is it worth it? What did you say to me, Jonathan?
00:47:08.00 Jon Did I say probably not? I don't remember what I said, Stan.
00:47:11.69 Stan Lemon You said probably not if it matches my Orange County experience.
00:47:18.71 Stan Lemon All right. So now let's take a break. Tell the listener about your Orange County experience because apparently Vegas was amazing. Vegas over 10 years ago was amazing.
00:47:26.44 Jon I mean, know yeah, I was young and had no palate. um I don't know. We went there.
00:47:30.95 Stan Lemon Hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You had no palate. What about your palate needed to develop to take, to take this Las Vegas experience and translate to the Orange County experience? I just want to like, what like, cause your amygdala was formed, son. Like what what was it that had to change?
00:47:47.59 Jon have no idea, Stan. i I can only say it was the group of people that I was with and their excitement rubbed off on me.
00:47:55.98 Stan Lemon Okay. We're going to come back to that.
00:47:56.30 Jon Maybe there was more salt, so who knows?
00:47:58.09 Stan Lemon That's there. Yeah.
00:47:58.92 Jon um
00:47:59.75 Stan Lemon We got two options. It was people or it was salt.
00:48:06.64 Stan Lemon I accept both answers and you would have won this round of Jeopardy.
00:48:07.73 Jon But but yeah, i want I think it was the first day we were there. um Again, there was a long line.
00:48:19.51 Jon Inside was actually kind of dirty, um which I do not remember from the Vegas um experience.
00:48:25.82 Stan Lemon That's not good. That like, nobody wants to go into a dirty, dirty restaurant ever.
00:48:27.49 Jon Right.
00:48:29.58 Stan Lemon Like that's just bad.
00:48:30.13 Jon Yep. And so I ordered my double-double animal style.
00:48:35.40 Stan Lemon This is in California too. The, these folks took COVID seriously and the restaurant was dirty. I've got no explanation. Like, listen, you, you, uh, pretentious people on the West coast whom I love. I love all of you.
00:48:47.88 Stan Lemon What, like what's going on? Clean your fricking restaurants.
00:48:51.82 Jon And, you know, ah with my two-year-old daughter. So it's like extra.
00:48:56.46 Stan Lemon Yeah.
00:48:56.62 Jon Do we want to go?
00:48:56.66 Stan Lemon Cause she's got to touch everything.
00:48:57.21 Jon So
00:48:59.03 Stan Lemon Yeah.
00:49:00.39 Jon so I got that and I ordered my fries. Well done. i did not go with animal style fries, but those are all so okay. um Sat down, ate it. And honestly, I think the burger was just kind of dry.
00:49:13.45 Stan Lemon Okay. For the listener who does not know Jonathan Kohlmeyer, what is your favorite fast food burger?
00:49:23.98 Jon what is my favorite fast food burger? Do I know this?
00:49:27.31 Stan Lemon Oh, I thought I knew the answer. This is funny. Yeah. Come on, John. Think about it.
00:49:31.91 Jon I mean, i really enjoy Culver's burgers.
00:49:35.15 Stan Lemon Okay.
00:49:37.35 Jon enjoy a five guys burger. I know you have some issues with the bun.
00:49:39.36 Stan Lemon that's what i That's what I thought you were going to say. it was five guys. Yeah.
00:49:42.67 Jon and Okay. Well, the problem with five guys is you're paying like 22 bucks for a burger. So
00:49:46.89 Stan Lemon Money doesn't matter though.
00:49:48.01 Jon ah
00:49:48.13 Stan Lemon You've got a $200 bottle of Burgundy to wash all this down with.
00:49:52.93 Jon right.
00:49:53.80 Stan Lemon Okay. So if price is not an option, five guys it is.
00:49:58.99 Jon Not necessarily.
00:50:00.87 Stan Lemon Oh, okay. So much nuance. Help me understand.
00:50:02.79 Jon So, like, I don't know. I don't really care for Five Guys fries. Those are fries that I will eat with ketchup.
00:50:09.32 Stan Lemon Oh, they're terrible. so your Your best burger has to be accompanied by fries.
00:50:09.74 Jon um
00:50:15.04 Jon I think probably.
00:50:17.40 Stan Lemon Oh, wow. it took you
00:50:17.84 Jon cheese curds.
00:50:19.31 Stan Lemon Or cheese curds. There we go. That's the money ticket. That's the money ticket.
00:50:23.08 Jon made Onion rings in a pinch. So... ah
00:50:26.57 Stan Lemon Dude, the Culver's onion rings, those are legit. Like those are really.
00:50:30.19 Jon But why would you go with those over cheese curds?
00:50:33.55 Stan Lemon The best thing to do is to get one kid to order your onion rings and the other kid to order cheese curds, right? um Okay, this is fascinating. So you basically what you're saying is for a hamburger, you have to have accoutrements.
00:50:52.49 Jon Stand on its own, probably.
00:50:54.87 Stan Lemon Wow. Okay. See, I, I'm the complete opposite. I go into a venue and I'm like, I'm going to judge this hamburger solely on the basis of the burger.
00:51:02.31 Jon and you also order just hamburgers regularly where i would have to really think about just ordering a hamburger
00:51:09.51 Stan Lemon Yeah. You, I, I basically have stopped ordering cheese on a hamburger. Yeah.
00:51:13.92 Jon yep which doesn't make sense to me uh coming from wisconsin
00:51:14.15 Stan Lemon I, I could talk about that. That's a whole other podcast episode of waiting happen. No, listen, I'm not going to, okay.
00:51:19.40 Jon ah
00:51:22.76 Stan Lemon Here's a hot take for you. I'll go to McDonald's and I'll order a double quarter pounder with cheese. Excuse me, with no cheese. Double quarter pounder, no cheese. I will drive home and I will i will put Boar's Head Baby Swiss cheese on it.
00:51:37.48 Stan Lemon And i don't like I'll put it on the burger and I'll i'll wait a couple minutes just to get a little melty. But that's that's what I do. For me, there's there's two facets that go into not ordering cheese. One is it's like a lot of calories. And then I look at the calories. I'm like, okay, is this is this actually the flavor that I want?
00:51:55.91 Stan Lemon And the reality is like once you've had good cheese, I'm sorry, the cheese that's put on most hamburgers is not that good. And so then I'm like, is it worth this calorie bump that I'm mean get? Or when I go home, should i just eat a piece of cheese?
00:52:10.17 Stan Lemon Because I've got good cheese in the drawer at the fridge all the time.
00:52:16.17 Jon I see your reasoning. I think I'm too lazy to live that life um in execution.
00:52:22.44 Stan Lemon um Okay. When you have Boar's handbag,
00:52:23.91 Jon Do you do this yourself or do you make somebody else do it for you?
00:52:27.50 Stan Lemon Which part?
00:52:29.19 Jon The cheese. or Or did somebody else go to McDonald's for you?
00:52:31.15 Stan Lemon No, no, I, I, I, no, I usually, I usually do it.
00:52:33.09 Jon Yeah.
00:52:34.37 Stan Lemon I usually do Cause everybody, like my family even looks at me like I'm ridiculous. Like you, you're doing what? Um, I've done this with Culver's as well, right? Where I've come home. I'm like, I'm going to put my nice, you know, like boar's head white cheddar or whatever it is like that I've got.
00:52:49.71 Stan Lemon I'm just going to put it on.
00:52:50.58 Jon That's just kind of sad because Culver's Cheddar is actually pretty good, Stan.
00:52:54.36 Stan Lemon It's okay, John. in the In the realm of cheddars, it's okay. right? Like I know you're Mr. Wisconsin over here, but the fact of the matter is that you're going to get so much better Wisconsin cheddar from a deli than you are from Kohler's. Okay? That's mass-produced cheddar. It happens to be like probably 65% cheese product as well.
00:53:15.86 Stan Lemon I'm just saying like cheese is a, it's like it's like wine. Like it's a beautiful thing. And when you eat it, you should really enjoy it
00:53:24.02 Jon Sidebar, when you spend your time near LA, will you be stopping at our cheese shop?
00:53:29.51 Stan Lemon It's too far of the way. I've already mapped it. I've already mapped it. yeah
00:53:32.39 Jon That's what I came out to. So we've got to figure out a reason to fly into LAX sometimes, Stan. um And then it's right there.
00:53:39.82 Stan Lemon Working on it John. Working on Okay. Back to In-N-Out Burger. So I knew that you were lukewarm on In-N-Out Burger.
00:53:45.88 Jon Yeah.
00:53:49.58 Stan Lemon I also knew this was a gap in my repertoire.
00:53:52.62 Jon Yep.
00:53:53.18 Stan Lemon it' repi I don't think repertoire is the right word. In my portfolio, maybe i just say portfolio, like in the in the in the set of things that I have experienced, this one was missing and it felt like it should not be missing.
00:54:05.55 Stan Lemon By the way, I've never been to Raising Cane's, also a gap in my like fried chicken experience, okay?
00:54:06.51 Jon Fair.
00:54:10.31 Jon I have been to a Raising Cane's um similar experience.
00:54:15.11 Stan Lemon Oh, interesting. Fascinating. So i I drove, Lucy just finished the 1600 meter. She ran 3,200 meter, eight o'clock and at 12, like 1130, she ran the 1600 meter, which is bonkers, right?
00:54:28.67 Stan Lemon Like props to her.
00:54:29.15 Jon It's not running.
00:54:29.63 Stan Lemon That's, that's, those are mad dashes, both of them. Um, So I was like, all right, kid's done. um you know, she's not going to talk to me anyhow. I'm just going to head out, grab lunch. And I drive over to In-N-Out Burger. There's a line outside the building. I asked you, is it worth it? You say no. For reasons that are beyond me, I get in line. Okay.
00:54:49.55 Jon Probably because there was no no other options, Dan. This was right next door.
00:54:52.52 Stan Lemon there were There were other options. There were other options.
00:54:54.07 Jon Okay.
00:54:54.52 Stan Lemon yeah ah I get inside. It smells decent, right? I knew that I had to order a burger animal style.
00:55:04.36 Jon Yep.
00:55:04.55 Stan Lemon Um, animal styles, I understand it is fried and mustard, right? So the burger is fried and mustard, um, which is weird.
00:55:08.53 Jon Yep.
00:55:11.43 Stan Lemon Can we talk about a little bit for the fact that like mustard is mostly water? How do you fry something in water?
00:55:18.95 Jon Maybe it's not mostly water.
00:55:20.55 Stan Lemon No, no mustard is mostly water. Look it up. It has a little bit of vinegar, right? It's mostly water and then, then mustard grain. Like it's, I don't understand the concept of frying and mustard. I think like chemically, that's actually not accurate. All And then there's grilled onions that are on it, right? And they they do a little extra of their sauce, their special sauce. I'm using special sauce, finger quotes, right?
00:55:45.41 Jon Sure. Like everybody's special sauce.
00:55:47.68 Stan Lemon Yeah. So I Googled the special sauce, right? Turns out, like, yeah, they got their own recipe, whatever. But their special sauce is McDonald's special sauce is everybody else's special sauce, which just turns out to be...
00:56:00.44 Jon Thousand Island dressing.
00:56:01.39 Stan Lemon Thousand Island dressing. Yeah, yeah. So I'm like, all right, first of all, I don't, I don't like Thousand Island dressing is fine, but I think the problem with Thousand Island dressing is it's so sweet that when you put extra on, it just, it just overpowers everything, right? Like if I wanted dessert, I'd go get ice cream.
00:56:19.19 Jon Right.
00:56:20.17 Stan Lemon So I walked up and I ordered a single, single burger, no cheese. Cause again, like I'm not, I'm not going to,
00:56:26.89 Jon So you're going to get lots of people that told you that this was where you went wrong.
00:56:31.21 Stan Lemon the The lack of cheese, if the lack of cheese is the thing that makes their burger, oh my gosh.
00:56:37.43 Jon I'm just saying. My father-in-law will be the worst offender.
00:56:42.95 Stan Lemon I love a cheeseburger, right? With good cheese.
00:56:47.64 Jon Sure.
00:56:47.66 Stan Lemon I don't believe there's, first of all, if you ordered the animal style, the way that it's supposed to come with the extra sauce, you would never freaking taste the cheese in the first place. Right.
00:56:59.08 Jon Okay.
00:57:00.52 Stan Lemon So I got the burger. I said, go light on the sauce. I recognize that will be controversial. but My objective here is taste the burger, right? Because I'm judging the hamburger based upon the burger, not a base not based upon their condiments, right? I can i can like go get a shot of the special sauce on the side if I want to to like...
00:57:24.71 Stan Lemon Evaluate their condiments. This is like Shake Shack sauce, right? Shake Shack sauce is a complete bust. Shake Shack makes a better burger, by the way, but it'll come to that.
00:57:34.28 Stan Lemon The burger is small. It is not particularly flavorful.
00:57:36.57 Jon Yes.
00:57:39.34 Stan Lemon i
00:57:39.37 Jon Agreed.
00:57:40.27 Stan Lemon I think a plain hamburger from McDonald's is bigger by volume of beef.
00:57:48.77 Stan Lemon All right.
00:57:49.00 Jon I ordered a double, so.
00:57:51.59 Stan Lemon I probably should haveve done double. To be completely honest, probably should have done double. The bun was fantastic. They nailed the crunch on the bun.
00:57:58.76 Jon He said this.
00:58:00.62 Stan Lemon Like the crunch on the bun is exactly what what I want every single hamburger bun to taste like. All right. The problem is everything else is let down.
00:58:11.21 Stan Lemon in And Thousand Island dressing is really like somebody's like, oh, I got soybean oil.
00:58:11.74 Jon There
00:58:14.81 Stan Lemon What should i do with it? You know? that's That's all it is. It's like, because we've got leftover soybeans for whatever reason. And we're like, let's we'll make soybean oil because it'll last longer than, oh, hey, turns out that some hamburger joint needs a secret sauce.
00:58:30.31 Stan Lemon Thousand Island dressing. Boom.
00:58:32.54 Jon you go.
00:58:32.78 Stan Lemon um It was fine. It was not good. The price point was was great, right? But I also left myself asking, like, given animal style burger or a quarter pounder,
00:58:47.11 Stan Lemon What am I going to do? What do you do, John?
00:58:51.59 Jon Based on my most recent experience, which could still be a fluke, um but I think I go Quarter Pounder. Probably with cheese.
00:58:59.11 Stan Lemon Yeah, I would too.
00:58:59.73 Jon Right.
00:59:01.93 Stan Lemon You know, McDonald's about a year ago or so, I think I sent you an Apple news article about this. They like, they like refreshed the quarter pounder. Right. And, and it's a fantastic hamburger. Like I'm a big quarter pounder fan. So I, I think that In-N-Out burger is overrated on the burger side. Now let's talk about the fries.
00:59:25.96 Stan Lemon um Oh, wait, a hold on one second. Do you remember the condiment area for In-N-Out?
00:59:33.20 Jon I do.
00:59:33.98 Stan Lemon There's ketchup pumps, there's salt, there's pepper.
00:59:35.66 Jon Yep.
00:59:36.87 Stan Lemon remember what the other thing was?
00:59:39.34 Jon I mean, they had like sport peppers.
00:59:41.69 Stan Lemon Sport peppers. I was elated. I grabbed a handful of sport peppers and I had a bite. I had basically like, I take a bite of burger, take a bite of sport pepper, right?
00:59:52.41 Stan Lemon Every single one, like, yeah.
00:59:52.39 Jon Nice.
00:59:54.35 Stan Lemon That right there, that was game changing. That's like more people, more people, more more companies, more whatever, need to have sport peppers available for your hamburger consumption. Cause that was good.
01:00:04.79 Stan Lemon That was really good. All right, now french fries.
01:00:06.92 Jon Nice. I like it. French rice.
01:00:10.57 Stan Lemon You told me I ordered these wrong.
01:00:12.94 Jon I did, um but I don't know that it would change your opinion that much. But it would have solved one of your critiques in that they were soggy and not crunchy.
01:00:23.98 Stan Lemon Yeah, they they were limp, right? There was like, nobody wants a limp French fry. This is what Five Guys has not figured out. And I don't i don't get it, right? Like nobody's satisfied with ah limp French fry. Everybody wants that crunch on the outside, that fluffy middle, and that nice saltiness, right? That goes with it.
01:00:41.87 Jon For sure.
01:00:42.26 Stan Lemon And it just, it's not happening.
01:00:43.02 Jon Now, if you want to add the malt vinegar on top of that, go for it
01:00:47.05 Stan Lemon I did not see malt vinegar available, by the way.
01:00:49.11 Jon it. This is a five-cast thing.
01:00:50.73 Stan Lemon Oh, fuck.
01:00:53.26 Stan Lemon Five guys has got to do it whatever they can to make their soggy potatoes passable, right? By the way, just as a sidebar, five guys, great, great burger, but their buns dissolve.
01:00:58.86 Jon Right. Give you a whole bunch.
01:01:06.31 Stan Lemon Like, I don't know what's going on there, but like by the time you take bite one, there's a little bit of bun left. By the time you get to like bite number seven, there's no bun left. It's completely dissolved.
01:01:17.91 Stan Lemon That's not good. That's not good. This is, this is,
01:01:19.37 Jon feel like this is a different experience than I have, but...
01:01:22.09 Stan Lemon I know you've said that. You've said that before to me. i I did a scientific poll with my coworkers today and found at least one other person who had experienced the dissolving bun.
01:01:33.42 Jon Okay.
01:01:33.58 Stan Lemon Okay.
01:01:34.86 Jon I wonder if what what your toppings are. That's the that's the next level of research. is Is it a certain topping that does this to you?
01:01:41.22 Stan Lemon um'm I'm super predictable. Okay. Well, I've changed recently, let me clarify, but i've I've been super predictable for the first, we're gonna say 39 years of my life, okay?
01:01:52.96 Jon OK.
01:01:52.99 Stan Lemon the first 39 years of my life, it was mustard, onion, lettuce, tomato, okay?
01:01:57.26 Jon OK.
01:01:58.27 Stan Lemon Mustard, onion, lettuce, tomato. Recently, I've realized that the lettuce is a joke, okay?
01:02:02.59 Jon Yep.
01:02:03.88 Stan Lemon The tomatoes are actually not good tomatoes.
01:02:06.46 Jon Flavorless tomatoes, yep.
01:02:07.39 Stan Lemon They're flavorless tomatoes, right? And what i really want is pickle, right?
01:02:12.73 Jon OK.
01:02:13.32 Stan Lemon So, so what I do now is onion, mustard, ketchup, pickle. That's my go-to.
01:02:20.24 Jon Sounds solid.
01:02:20.67 Stan Lemon Mustard onion, ketchup, pickle. Cause you get that actual like tomato flavor.
01:02:23.72 Jon Raw onion or grilled onion?
01:02:26.03 Stan Lemon I prefer raw onion.
01:02:29.32 Jon So do I.
01:02:30.67 Stan Lemon i like that I like that bite, that bitterness, right? You know, a little bit of punch in there. And the, you know, mustard's mustard. Like I'm going for mustard, not for the vinegariness of it. The pickle there is for the vinegariness.
01:02:42.43 Stan Lemon The ketchup is to get some actual tomato flavor and a little bit of sweetness, you know?
01:02:43.04 Jon No.
01:02:48.04 Jon You know what I think you need to try, Stan? Jalapeno. Jalapeno.
01:02:52.36 Stan Lemon Oh, if it's available, hell yeah. Sorry, heck yeah, sorry. Oops, but there there goes our e-box rating. Yeah. with who How many places actually offer jalapeno? You can't go to McDonald's and get a jalapeno.
01:03:01.62 Jon mean, Five Guys does.
01:03:05.88 Stan Lemon Well, yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Five guys will put bacon in your milkshake if you want. Like they'll do they'll just about anything. It's just, you got to do with the dissolving bun and use half your paycheck to feed a family.
01:03:17.83 Jon True.
01:03:18.54 Stan Lemon Which, by the way, is is the advantage, I think, to In-N-Out Burger. So it was it was eight and a half bucks for a sandwich and a drink.
01:03:24.03 Jon Priced affordable.
01:03:28.19 Stan Lemon Sorry, it was eight. It was actually just above $8. And there was like 20 cents extra for the fries. And I thought to myself, like, this is this actually the process I went through. and wasn't going get fries, right? was just going to get a burger and a Diet Coke. um And as I'm walking up, I'm like, John's going ask me, how were the fries? I know he's going to ask me what the fries were.
01:03:49.16 Stan Lemon So I did the math, right? All in my brain, by the way, LLMs for this. Did the math, you know, do, do, do, do. And i was like, 20 cents.
01:03:56.01 Jon Are alarms good at math now?
01:03:58.41 Stan Lemon They're better, they're better. but But I determined that it's like 20 cents basically for the fries. And i was like okay, is 20 cents worth the conversation I'm going to have with John about it?
01:04:07.63 Jon And you decided yes, so thanks.
01:04:08.59 Stan Lemon I just said, yes, yeah yeah. And the crazy thing is, as I was making this calculus, I was like, okay, so so um sunk cost fallacy, right? When I sample these fries, how many do I need to sample in order to determine whether or not they're good or bad?
01:04:26.03 Stan Lemon So i was i was wait i had to wait a while for the burger because this place was packed. Because I think i think when I walked up, they were serving number 28 and I was order number 70. Okay. Yeah.
01:04:36.17 Jon Oh, wow.
01:04:37.03 Stan Lemon Like this place was packed.
01:04:38.79 Jon You went at the wrong time. Yeah.
01:04:40.20 Stan Lemon Yeah, i was it was 1230. They should have been like doing something else, but they were still there. um But I asked myself, sunk cost fallacy, how many fries does it take to create an assessment?
01:04:53.00 Stan Lemon I did get ketchup, by the way. And um I did something that apparently was offensive to at least three other people in the in the venue. do you Do you put your ketchup, when you squirt your ketchup out, do you put it directly on your fries? Yeah.
01:05:05.46 Jon Generally, no.
01:05:06.41 Stan Lemon No, you put it to the side, right?
01:05:07.72 Jon Yeah.
01:05:08.46 Stan Lemon So so and in and out, they give you the little red tray. Would you just drop it on the tray?
01:05:15.05 Jon Probably not because want to trust the cleanliness of the tree.
01:05:18.12 Stan Lemon oh see, I was like, I was like i left all clashed in the wind at that point.
01:05:19.34 Jon so
01:05:23.11 Stan Lemon Um, I just squirted on the trailer. All right. Well, you know, you only live once. Right. And, uh, I guess folks that were standing near me expected it to go on to the fries.
01:05:34.83 Stan Lemon Cause I had one comment and two looks, you know,
01:05:39.79 Jon They didn't have the little cups.
01:05:42.85 Stan Lemon Dude, there were so many people around there. I had to reach. This was so was so stupid. They had two little spouts for ketchup, but the little cups were only to the right of the farthest one. So I was at the left one, which meant I had to reach over someone or ask them to hand me one. And I sure as heck am not going to do it because like like ask for someone to hand me. Because one thing I'm certain of, even if they don't clean those trays that well, those trays are cleaner than the person's hands that are touching the little cup to give it to me. Right? Right.
01:06:11.76 Jon Probably true.
01:06:13.36 Stan Lemon So the French fries were disappointing. They were limp. They were soggy-ish. um There were also more black spots on the potato than I'm accustomed to seeing, right?
01:06:24.36 Jon Hmm.
01:06:28.33 Stan Lemon I feel like that is not good quality control.
01:06:35.50 Stan Lemon I mean, think about like last time you were Wendy's. Wendy's has good French fries, right?
01:06:40.87 Jon They do. It's been a long time since I was at a Wendy's.
01:06:43.69 Stan Lemon So how just think about your entire life, right? All 30 some odd years of it. How many times have you gotten more than one blackened French fry?
01:06:54.83 Stan Lemon And I'm talking about like the the like dark potato-y, I guess, rottenness. How many times have you gotten more than one black French fry in an order?
01:06:59.15 Jon Yeah, right.
01:07:02.86 Jon Very few.
01:07:04.07 Stan Lemon Very few. I can't, to be honest with you, you I reflected on 40 years of existence and I can think of one time.
01:07:12.33 Stan Lemon Now it may not be a complete data set, but I can think one time.
01:07:15.31 Jon but
01:07:17.81 Jon Okay. So, the question stands, when you're in Southern California, will you try again?
01:07:27.62 Stan Lemon No.
01:07:28.58 Jon No.
01:07:29.33 Stan Lemon Nope. No. And, you know, Lucy, who likes to try everything, was really interested to hear how it went. And I was like, no, it's it's not good. I mean, it' not not worth of your way for. i think that's the key thing, right? it's not going It's not worth going out of your way for, and it is not worth waiting in line for. So if you find that you turn around and oh, look, surprise.
01:07:49.75 Stan Lemon There's in an In-N-Out burger. And oh, there's there's nobody waiting line.
01:07:52.06 Jon It's empty.
01:07:53.03 Stan Lemon Yeah, go go for it.
01:07:53.30 Jon Yeah.
01:07:54.47 Stan Lemon You should totally go for it. If not, cross the street, go to McDonald's, and you'll be fine.
01:07:57.18 Jon All
01:07:58.33 Stan Lemon You'll totally fine. But my hot take is I think Shake Shack makes a better burger.
01:08:00.81 Jon right.
01:08:06.76 Stan Lemon And I think their fries are probably better
01:08:06.94 Jon And the only, I guess I've had two, I've had Shake Shack twice, once with you and once in Boston, but I have no recollection of the burger.
01:08:18.11 Stan Lemon that's said So there's an episode where we i there's an episode where we diagnosed the Shake Shack one.
01:08:20.94 Jon There's an episode where I have to go back and listen.
01:08:25.04 Stan Lemon ay I think we were disappointed in the burger, satisfied with the fries.
01:08:30.65 Jon Sounds right.
01:08:30.83 Stan Lemon What I will say is I've had Shake Shack a couple of times since. I, for whatever reason, think we had an anomalous experience. The Shake Shack sauce is overrated. Okay?
01:08:43.72 Stan Lemon Thousand Island dressing, just like everybody else. If you go in and you order a burger, mustard, onion, pickle, ketchup, right?
01:08:54.44 Stan Lemon I think you'll be happy. Even with cheese.
01:08:59.27 Stan Lemon And more importantly, Shake Shack is, you know, the guy, the um ah unapproachable hospitality, that guy.
01:09:08.04 Jon unreasonable
01:09:09.17 Stan Lemon Yeah, that unreasonable hospitality. total Same thing, same thing. amazing
01:09:15.53 Jon all right i think that's enough for one episode of stan's uh food adventures
01:09:15.59 Stan Lemon i a close
01:09:22.54 Stan Lemon and On a scale of one to 10, how much do you think the the hot take here on In-N-Out Burger is going to upset the twisties?
01:09:31.69 Jon um I think it will upset them a lot, but this is a good test to see how regular of listeners they are.
01:09:40.09 Stan Lemon Oh, all right. All right.
01:09:41.13 Jon yeah
01:09:41.42 Stan Lemon So if you listen to this episode and you are a twisty, tell us what you think about In-N-Out Burger and and do it do it in ways that like we can talk about because if you're just like oh it's amazing.
01:09:51.57 Stan Lemon That's too abstracting. Talk to me about what you think mustard fried, first of all, means chemically. And second of all, what do you think it actually does at the burger?
01:10:01.60 Stan Lemon The answer is nothing.
01:10:02.79 Jon i also I also wonder if they order animal style or not.
01:10:06.44 Stan Lemon Probably not because it's the secret menu. That's not so secret.
01:10:09.35 Jon Right.
01:10:10.70 Stan Lemon it's It's the menu that's not in the store.
01:10:11.33 Jon There
01:10:12.54 Stan Lemon This is the dumbest thing, by the way. It's not in the store. You will not see it on the menu board. But if you go to their website, there's actually a thing that says not so secret menu.
01:10:22.58 Jon you go.
01:10:23.34 Stan Lemon And the funny thing about it is they're like, the not so secret menu is you know our customer hospitality.
01:10:23.59 Jon So why don't they just put it up on the board?
01:10:29.28 Stan Lemon And I'm like how does that hospital if I have to like be surprised by it or go looking for it? you know The extra effort, that's not.
01:10:36.23 Jon I think the idea here is they'll make a burger however you want it.
01:10:41.77 Stan Lemon I don't believe that's possible with the amount of people volume that I experienced, Jonathan. Yeah,
01:10:50.43 Jon Well, maybe that's something to test out.
01:10:53.99 Stan Lemon yeah because I want to wait in line for 20 minutes again for a hamburger. ah Jonathan, we had one other topic to cover today. I guess we save that for next time.
01:11:03.82 Jon Yeah, we should probably put it in our note that we don't really keep up to date anymore.
01:11:07.72 Stan Lemon No, don't because we just were flying by the seat our pants. Had to do with LLMs.
01:11:10.79 Jon We were going to talk about LLMs, and we were going to talk about Othello, and we were going to talk about, i don't know what else.
01:11:11.46 Stan Lemon All
01:11:20.40 Stan Lemon right. Five minutes. That's what going do on Othello. Go.
01:11:23.79 Jon Five minutes on Othello.
01:11:24.87 Stan Lemon Five minutes on Othello.
01:11:25.23 Jon Really, really great play.
01:11:25.90 Stan Lemon Go.
01:11:28.48 Jon They're all evil. and
01:11:30.76 Stan Lemon Not Desdemona.
01:11:32.58 Jon not yeah Not Desdemona.
01:11:34.99 Stan Lemon Oh, wait, wait.
01:11:34.99 Jon i
01:11:35.67 Stan Lemon What was the hesitation? Explain to me how Desdemona is.
01:11:37.70 Jon i don't I don't think that she's evil. um I think she's a little naive.
01:11:43.40 Stan Lemon i don't she... Oh, man. I totally disagree with you. I don't think she's naive. Why do you think she's naive?
01:11:48.81 Jon um I don't know, because there's all these people who are like working things around her and basically she ends up dead.
01:11:59.62 Stan Lemon She ends up dead by the one she loves. Spoiler alert. But he, okay. I don't think she's naive.
01:12:04.58 Jon I mean, it is cool.
01:12:06.03 Stan Lemon I think she is the personification of a loving wife. Like all of this crap is going on around her. Her own father doesn't want her to be in love with this guy. Right.
01:12:15.92 Jon Right.
01:12:16.03 Stan Lemon For all, all the wrong reasons. Like there's, there's, there's racial, there's like class stuff going all of that. And she just, she loves the guy. And despite all of the machinations that are going around, she remains faithful, putting the best construction on every turn.
01:12:31.75 Stan Lemon Now, if my friend, my Lutheran friend, you say that honoring the eighth commandment and putting the best construction of everything is naivety, then okay, Desdemona is naive.
01:12:43.50 Jon I mean, i just think she probably should have formed some more alliances.
01:12:48.01 Stan Lemon Okay. Alliance formation. i could see that as a critique of Desdemona, especially in ah in a Shakespearean play, for sure. aan yeah i just So i've read this is the one that I've read. This will be the third time through.
01:13:05.45 Stan Lemon Was there anything that surprised you?
01:13:10.04 Jon Um...
01:13:13.58 Jon I think how purely evil Iago is.
01:13:19.24 Stan Lemon He is the ultimate manipulator.
01:13:22.03 Jon Like, all of the characters are really great as per most Shakespeare. um But like, Iago was purely evil, like from the get go.
01:13:34.76 Stan Lemon Yeah. Constantly conspiring for the downfall, not of just Othello, but really everyone else in the play. right Even poor Desdemona's father.
01:13:48.43 Stan Lemon right like ah He's just yeah purely evil. What did you think of Cassio?
01:13:56.75 Jon um
01:14:00.36 Jon I mean, i didn't like him either, but I don't think...
01:14:02.76 Stan Lemon Okay, why didn't you like Cassio? Because I like Cassio. This is so funny to me.
01:14:07.91 Jon um I think probably because he was ah impressionable to a fault.
01:14:18.35 Stan Lemon Oh, interesting. Okay. I'll accept it. I'll accept it. Go on. i'll Explain a little more, Jonathan.
01:14:23.75 Jon I mean, he was just influenced by the people moving around him um and never took like a strong stand against them.
01:14:34.35 Stan Lemon I think what I've always appreciated about Casio is he is, he is the trusted lieutenant. He is the, um, He's the guy, he loves Othello, right? Like his faithfulness is to Othello.
01:14:48.81 Stan Lemon To a fault, right? Like ah like really to a fault. But that loyalty, yeah that he's easy to manipulate um in in part because of his loyalty.
01:14:52.87 Jon Easy to manipulate, yeah.
01:14:59.08 Stan Lemon And I think that that is what I love about him because I think i think everyone... needs a Casio in their life or deserves a Casio in their life.
01:15:10.14 Stan Lemon Right. Everybody needs that like trusted, lu the devout trusted Lieutenant, you know?
01:15:15.53 Jon And yours is Aaron Finker.
01:15:15.80 Stan Lemon Yeah. um and yeah There's no way Aaron listens the podcast. One wonders, one wonders. Um, but it's, but know what I'm saying?
01:15:28.09 Stan Lemon Like there, there's, um, I don't know, man, like that,
01:15:31.04 Jon I don't know either, Stan, because like we're friends, I think, because we push each other when we need to.
01:15:39.37 Stan Lemon Yeah, you oh, you're definitely not my Casio. Yeah, yeah, no, there's not heavy there. Yeah.
01:15:44.94 Jon And like I very much think through things and process things by arguing, ultimately. like
01:15:52.23 Stan Lemon yeah
01:15:53.00 Jon so
01:15:54.41 Stan Lemon Casio, right, like he he has a we we don't know what's what's happened prior to the story, right? Like he gets the promotion at the beginning. That obviously creates...
01:16:03.94 Jon There was a war. Battle or whatever.
01:16:05.16 Stan Lemon There was a war. You don't know what happened, right? Like you and I are closer because we went through a ah organizational war together as as it was, right?
01:16:13.95 Jon Right.
01:16:15.40 Stan Lemon um But i you know you come out of that, there's there's this deep held deeply held loyalty. um that if There's something about it that I just like, it's so it's what I want in my masculine characters. I think it's the same reason why I love The Sopranos.
01:16:36.07 Stan Lemon You know, and, and, um, I, I, that's what, that's what draws me to that. I think in some regards why I like Casio so much, i was trying to remember what's the guy's name. uh,
01:16:51.59 Jon Starts with a D.
01:16:53.80 Stan Lemon Wait, wait, wait.
01:16:53.80 Jon Right?
01:16:54.26 Stan Lemon What are we talking I was thinking about Sopranos. I was thinking about Paulie.
01:16:56.28 Jon That was a Pranals.
01:16:57.52 Stan Lemon Yeah.
01:16:57.78 Jon Don't Pauly.
01:16:58.62 Stan Lemon Paulie is Casio, right? he can You can see it, right?
01:17:01.64 Jon Okay. I can see it
01:17:02.92 Stan Lemon like There's like a blind devoutness. But do you remember because he talks about the 70s and he survived by the skin of something another. I'm not going to say on the podcast because I've already said one bad word today. ah and But but like i I get Pauly vibes from Casio, and i i I love it.
01:17:21.10 Stan Lemon Now, ultimately, Casio is manipulated. He lets himself get manipulated. He falls prey to the manipulation. Iago is over there like a puppet master. Again, Godfather vibes.
01:17:32.92 Jon Yep.
01:17:33.16 Stan Lemon you know Rodrigo is the buffoon right in this whole this whole thing.
01:17:36.48 Jon There we go. Yep.
01:17:37.89 Stan Lemon I can't decide if like if I'm thinking about... um He's probably Chrissy right from The Sopranos.
01:17:46.49 Jon Sure.
01:17:47.08 Stan Lemon Yeah, it works, right?
01:17:47.62 Jon You can make a case for it.
01:17:48.94 Stan Lemon Yeah. If Rick has managed to to make it this far in this episode, a little bit of this dying inside because I'm recasting Othello with Sopranos characters. um Just to be clear...
01:18:00.52 Jon Hey, Sopranos is very Shakespearean.
01:18:03.00 Stan Lemon Oh, it's super Shakespearean. But just to be clear though, Carmela is not Testemona, right? Not at all. Not at all. If, if, uh, Adriana in her relation to Christie is the most Testemona character, like, you know, if I had to go there, but yeah.
01:18:15.17 Jon Yep.
01:18:21.51 Stan Lemon So, um, Did it end the way that you thought it would end? Because like with Shakespeare, right? Someone's always going to die and these tragedies, right? Like, you know, someone's did like, did you imagine everyone that died would die? Did you imagine who would survive would survive?
01:18:38.57 Jon um I think so. the whole Casio sequence wasn't exactly how I pictured it would end up. um But in the end, yeah.
01:18:48.94 Stan Lemon Did the version you read have staging notes?
01:18:51.71 Jon Yeah.
01:18:52.33 Stan Lemon Okay. Did you read all the staging notes?
01:18:56.57 Jon The ones that were in the text. I didn't always read the ah notes on the side.
01:18:59.11 Stan Lemon Okay.
01:19:02.04 Stan Lemon There's some shenanigans with Iago. Like, cause he, you know, he'll read him like stab somebody like, like you picked up on that.
01:19:06.61 Jon Oh, yeah.
01:19:08.97 Stan Lemon Yeah. Okay.
01:19:09.53 Jon Yeah.
01:19:10.22 Stan Lemon This is, this is a fun one to see in person because you, there's some like subtlety stuff, earth like subtlety, subtle stuff that happens off to the side, a stabbing or a whisper or whatever.
01:19:22.44 Stan Lemon that you can read, but seeing it performed, you're like, holy cats, this guy is even more manipulative than I thought, right? um So if you ever have a chance to see a Thelon person, highly recommend it. I think it's actually only one of two.
01:19:38.70 Stan Lemon do we Do we count the Roz Berman, Berman, Roz, ber is that right? The movie guy, Romeo and Juliet.
01:19:46.43 Jon Oh, I have no idea.
01:19:48.36 Stan Lemon I think it's Roz Berman.
01:19:52.55 Stan Lemon I should know this. touch
01:19:57.68 Stan Lemon Why is it? The robots are all failing me. Boz Lerman. I keep saying Roz Berman. Boz Lerman. but ba i does Does watching Boz Lerman's Romeo and Juliet with Leonardo DiCaprio, does that count?
01:20:13.74 Jon Probably not.
01:20:14.44 Stan Lemon No, okay, all right. Then I've seen Shakespeare performed in person twice. Both fantastic. Othello is one of them, though.
01:20:19.74 Jon Oh, interesting.
01:20:21.16 Stan Lemon And the subtleties of Othello, ah you know, those staging notes, totally worth it.
01:20:21.26 Jon Nice.
01:20:25.86 Stan Lemon So if you get a chance, highly recommend seeing Othello.
01:20:28.30 Jon we need to go to America's Players Theater in Spring Green, Wisconsin, Stanley, and find whatever Shakespeare show of that season is.
01:20:39.21 Stan Lemon I don't know half the words you said, but it was in Wisconsin and they have cheese curds, I'm good.
01:20:39.40 Jon Usually there's multiple.
01:20:43.81 Stan Lemon And good hamburger probably.
01:20:44.27 Jon um and it's this cool like like outdoor theater where you like walk through the woods up this hill um and it's like you are outside and and it's a pretty minimalist production usually um and it's just the actors on the stage
01:21:00.81 Stan Lemon So you've been there and you've seen a show.
01:21:03.50 Jon i have seen macbeth there twice and i saw hamlet there once
01:21:08.68 Stan Lemon Ooh. Okay. I have never read Hamlet. I have seen, um, uh, Renaissance man with, um,
01:21:16.62 Jon Also, it doesn't count. um
01:21:18.19 Stan Lemon yeah yeah I, let me finish. I've seen it. I've seen it at least six times and I own it with, with Danny DeVito. Um, okay.
01:21:29.00 Stan Lemon So Macbeth, probably the weirdest play you could have watched. Um,
01:21:33.90 Jon I think that was one of the ones I watched in high school.
01:21:36.30 Stan Lemon Yeah, that's a wild one. i don't like having I've started to read it recently. I stopped for for reasons. I got distracted with other stuff. That's one that I'm not really sure is appropriate for high schoolers.
01:21:49.77 Stan Lemon it's it's it's out I'm not really sure Romeo and Juliet is either, but it's out there, man. Macbeth is weird. It's like it's a weird play.
01:21:56.30 Jon weird. there're On Apple tv um there is it's actually pretty good. and i think it's Is it Denzel Washington who plays Macbeth?
01:22:06.28 Stan Lemon In Macbeth? Are you kidding me?
01:22:08.14 Jon Yeah.
01:22:08.97 Stan Lemon When was this made? Hold on.
01:22:10.82 Jon A couple of years ago.
01:22:11.24 Stan Lemon and Denzel Washington. oh it comes up. 2021. Wait, have you seen this?
01:22:18.73 Jon Yeah, it was pretty good. um It's all like muted color scheme.
01:22:20.94 Stan Lemon Okay.
01:22:23.95 Jon um So you got to get over that.
01:22:24.54 Stan Lemon Okay.
01:22:25.39 Jon But
01:22:26.63 Stan Lemon are there Are there subtitles?
01:22:31.02 Jon I mean, I always have subtitles on, but this was in English. so
01:22:34.58 Stan Lemon Okay. Not in the original Klanon. Got it. Got it. Got
01:22:39.50 Jon So, you know, if you're looking for something to watch some weekend with your bottle of wine, um I enjoyed it.
01:22:45.32 Stan Lemon Okay. I'll cue that up. um Hot take. Evelyn recently ah informed me that she does not remember the Star Wars movies.
01:22:56.68 Jon You used to watch those every single Friday.
01:22:58.36 Stan Lemon I know, but she was little, man. She's only 11 right now. So I was like, oh my gosh, I failed my daughter. So we're going to do a rewatch of Star Wars here soon.
01:23:08.20 Jon Nice.
01:23:08.71 Stan Lemon The question, and we'll debate this next time, pub order or chronological order? Don't answer, John. It's for next time.
01:23:17.15 Jon Okay.
01:23:17.77 Stan Lemon It's for next time.
01:23:18.63 Jon All right. Sounds good. As I'm looking at ah the APT website, ah the two Shakespeare plays this season are As You Like It and The Two Gentlemen of Verona.
01:23:30.25 Stan Lemon I am not familiar with either of those.
01:23:34.83 Stan Lemon Okay, before we before we dial out, why don't you remind me, what are we reading next?
01:23:41.70 Jon So if we go by the ah plan that was set out at the end of last year, we will be reading King Lear in quarter three of 2026.
01:23:53.28 Jon July, yeah.
01:23:54.31
Stan Lemon
Okay. Q3 beginning, guess that's technically June or July, July, spring
01:24:04.80 Jon Correct.
01:24:05.48 Stan Lemon Okay. So if Rick makes it this far, I'd love Rick's opinion. King Lear or the Tempest, which should we go first? Cause I know no person more proficient or, uh, no better expert than Rick in Shakespeare. Uh,
01:24:21.93 Jon Do you think he would come onto the podcast and teach us about Shakespeare?
01:24:25.98 Stan Lemon Oh, yeah. If we could figure out how to set up the whole venue. Yeah, absolutely. He does a he does a thing on Thursday mornings. It's a Shakespeare like class. they They sit and read and they they talk. he got He got Evelyn so excited about Cleopatra. She did her end year end of year like faces of history thing on Cleopatra. like
01:24:44.19 Jon Nice.
01:24:44.36 Stan Lemon the the man The man is as deep into Shakespeare as anyone I've ever encountered in my life. um And yeah. And his his excitement about it is palpable.
01:24:56.01 Jon Yeah, nice.
01:24:58.35 Stan Lemon We'll have figure out if you come out to visit, i like we'll just sit in his parlor. It's it's his living room, but he calls it his parlor. um And we'll soak up the wisdom, which is Rick Reed, Professor Rick Reed. Extraordinaire.
01:25:13.34 Stan Lemon All right.
01:25:14.06 Jon And it sounds like you won't just make me feel dumb, so intentionally.
01:25:18.09 Stan Lemon ah he'll make me feel like He'll make me feel dumb.
01:25:22.25 Jon ah
01:25:22.76 Stan Lemon because I think he's figured out that I am the joke.
01:25:27.02 Jon You need to be humbled.
01:25:28.68 Stan Lemon yeah Well, there's that too. But I'm a class clown, right? So he's got to put me in a place. um We did Canto 15 of Dante's Inferno tonight. So you can look that one up and just just imagine what ah the the middle school version of Stan Lemon would would do with that. We'll go for that.
01:25:45.55 Stan Lemon On that note, on that note, we should wrap it up.
01:25:45.60 Jon Fair enough.
01:25:48.94 Stan Lemon ah
01:25:49.07 Jon we This is a long episode about not a lot.
01:25:50.86 Stan Lemon It's, yeah, it's, we're all over the place.
01:25:51.75 Jon So...
01:25:53.43 Stan Lemon I can't wait to see what the robots do with this.
01:25:56.36 Jon What do you think?
01:25:56.38 Stan Lemon Codex,
01:25:56.80 Jon You think i got 20%? No. 20%? Okay.
01:26:00.06 Stan Lemon no, no.
01:26:00.75 Jon now below twenty percent okay yeah
01:26:02.95 Stan Lemon um' I'm going to guess, I'm going to guess a hearty 18 and a half percent.
01:26:09.23 Stan Lemon Sorry, twisties. I tried. I tried. Okay. Okay. ah you got to decide if we're going to do whichever Shakespeare play before July. Cause that's, that's a long time away here.
01:26:23.68 Jon It's like that the ah how much time went between the first one and the second one.
01:26:29.93 Stan Lemon Which is a lot, right? Like, I don't know what you were doing. Did you read anything between those two?
01:26:34.79 Jon I feel like I did, because I'm only one book off of my ah off of my pace to meet my Goodreads goal.
01:26:42.20 Stan Lemon Ooh, we should talk about The Great Divorce. I'm reading The Great Divorce.
01:26:45.96 Jon not Not today.
01:26:47.35 Stan Lemon Not today. All right, Jonathan. Until next time.
01:26:49.96 Jon Until next time. Later, Stanley.
01:26:51.47 Stan Lemon See you, buddy.